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    I read an interesting article in the NY Times this today, which ran with the headline "Anger at the US Said to Be at New High."

    It doesn't mean to, but raises an interesting point. What should the arab world do in the aftermath of september 11?

    Basically, several things in the article bothered me. According to the a Jordanian journalist, Mr. Khouir, "everyone [he] knows wants Hussein removed." He then goes on to say that he doesn't trust Ameri ca to do it, because "they are the last people in the world who will work on the behalf of Arab interests."

    Well, aside from the fact that the 2nd is blatantly untrue, it raises a question. At what point should the Arab world start taking care of itself?

    If there was a man such as Hussein in, say, Eastern Europe (say, in a balkan nation)the EU would most likely invade, and overthrow him before things got worse. Yet even in the aftermath of 9/11, there was barely a murmur of support from "America's staunchest Arab allies" Egypt and Jordan.

    The article goes on to say that the Arabs feel closer to American culture than to European, yet now feel like jilted lovers, because America supports oppressive regimes. (True, although Jordan is one of the beter nations; Saudi Arabia should be condemned, but that's another story).

    Yet where's the support in the Arab world itself for democratic reforms? The only nation which I've seen where there's such an interest is Iran, which has been under American sanctions since the late 70's.

    Here's a few ironic comments: "People in the Arab world are much more educated than before and they resent their regimes." This resentment would strengthen the hand of such extremist organizations, he said."

    Does anybody else see the irony involved in that last quote?

    Finally, Mr. Aly, director of the Ahram center for political and strategic studies in Cairo, cited four major flaws in the Bush agenda: support for Mr. Sharon, unequivocally. Mr. Aly then said the support for Israel was the driving force behind Bush's desire to topple Saddam. The other three flaws were: dealing with Iraq wihout preparation, misguided policies on dealing with terrorists, and the negative general rhetoric from Washington about muslims and arabs.

    You could argue that many of those flaws existed. However, considering how the president has tried to emphasize that he's not trying to declare war on islam, and came on the air almost immediately after the first hate crime, warning people to stop, I'd like to know what rhetoric is meant.

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    Hmm ... well, Iraq's leaders aren't endearing themselves to Americans very much; to wit, the main headline in the state-run main newspaper celebrated Sept. 11, 2001 with a massive photo of the burning towers and a headline saying something to the effect that America deserved it.

    I sometimes find it funny that certain Arabs complain about our support for repressive regimes, yet can you imagine the *uproar* we'd get if we turned on the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Pakistan and whatnot? Cripes, it'd turn the hoopla surrounding potential action against Saddam Hussein into small spuds. Seriously. The very same people, I think, would turn on us and accuse us of meddling in the internal affairs of Saudi Arabia, et al., if we decided to stick to principles and begin making moves to force said nation(s) into democracies.

    Either way, we make enemies, and our allies will probably nitpick at us as well. Gee, isn't the world a fun place to live in?

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    • #3
      Iran's not arab
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      • #4
        If there was a man such as Hussein in, say, Eastern Europe (say, in a balkan nation)the EU would most likely invade, and overthrow him before things got worse.


        What makes you think that the EU would do anything about a tyrant in Eastern Europe besides beg America to come take care of it for them? That's what I remember happening in Bosnia and Kosovo...
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        • #5
          Faeelin, Most of what the man on the street in Arabia believes is terrorist propaganda. I started a thread about the 4000 Jews that was directed to a report that ran on 60 Minutes II last week. That report said that virtually every Arab believed that Israel was behind the WTC attack because Israel ordered 4000 Jews to stay home that day. CBS traced the origin of the story to Hezbollah proganda planted in a Lebanese newspaper in the week after 9/11.

          What we really need is at least one free Arab country that has a free press that can give the Arab people the truth.
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          • #6
            The free press like Al-Jezeera just spout hatred of the West like all the rest.

            When the typical Arab is a wife beating, hyper-religious bigot, what can you expect?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Felch X
              The free press like Al-Jezeera just spout hatred of the West like all the rest.

              When the typical Arab is a wife beating, hyper-religious bigot, what can you expect?
              And this comment is somehow morally superior?
              Perhaps the American media and the American person isn't too much better.
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              • #8
                Well any person or entity that ever attempts to lead is apt to get criticism and envy. The US is leading and thus it is bound to get criticized for what it's trying to do.

                Before Arabs and Muslims try to blame the US for all their problems they should turn to their own people because there they will find groups of people that have a different agenda, who damage the muslims more than they themselves believe.


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                • #9
                  "If there was a man such as Hussein in, say, Eastern Europe (say, in a balkan nation)the EU would most likely invade, and overthrow him before things got worse. "

                  Well they seem pretty content to let Lukashenko reign freely in Belarus, but then I can't blame them too much because Russia is supporting that bastard. They did do a reasonable job supporting us in getting rid of Milosevich though.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
                    They did do a reasonable job supporting us in getting rid of Milosevich though.
                    I'd put this the other way around, perhaps "The U.S. did a good job of supporting certain members of the EU's agenda in the Balkans."
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                    • #11
                      "The free press like Al-Jezeera just spout hatred of the West like all the rest. "

                      As I pointed out on Ned's thread, Al-Jezeera is the one that has shown interviews with Al-Quaeda representatives recently saying they planned it...

                      If the people don't believe them that is hardly their fault.

                      "...yet can you imagine the *uproar* we'd get if we turned on the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Pakistan and whatnot..."

                      There is a difference between not supporting a regime and actively turning on them you know.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Arab world and 9/11

                        Originally posted by Faeelin
                        At what point should the Arab world start taking care of itself?
                        Why do you think anyone would let them? Oil is a global interest. As long as there's oil in the arab world others will intervene.

                        As for the hypetical dictator in eastern Europe. What about Belarus? No one cares.

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                        • #13
                          Pakistan isn't Arab anyway.
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                          • #14
                            Ahh, yes, it is all a problem due to lack of communication.

                            If congress told police officers to shoot suspicious looking black people on sight, while ignoring crime comitted by white people to the best of their ability, it must be the fault of the press if the black community get's angry. Which makes sense, since the press is all liberal anyway, right?

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                            • #15
                              The Arab and Muslim world should try to do something with the following:

                              Most terrorists come from Arab or Muslim countries.

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