Harvard professor argues for 'abolishing' white race

[Al B. Sure!]

I think people read the whole "abolishing white race" thing and assumed it was some crazy inverse racist ****. From the excerpt posted, I doubt that was the authour's intention.

It seems to me that he is concerned with the fact that certain non-physical attributes are considered 'white'. The rich suburban blue-eyed male (which is actually a tiny minority of caucasions in America who live in far poorer circumstances) is the epitome supposedly of whiteness.

This has the problem of creating that idea that people become 'white-washed' if they become successful. Some minorities see being successful as selling out your people or origins to become 'white'. You leave the city and move to the burbs with all the other whiteys, as if your race or neighbourhood is too low to you. Success and a proper education is equated to trying to be white.

This idea is detrimental to progress among blacks, hispanics, and even whites in America. Fear of being white-washed hampers success and the social and economic rising of minorities.

If my interpretation of this man's ideas is correct, than any disagreement is ridiculous and I can understand why Carver thought my fellow right-wingers came off as neo-confederates.


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[monolith94]

I think that if you're smart enough to get into Harvard U. you ought to be able to take what information proffessors give you, and draw your own conclusions.

I actually agree with some of this man's premises, such as the 'abolition' of white privelege. I want to make it in the world based on my own hard work and talent, not because I get the job over a person with a darker skin than I who is more deserving.
However I am quite proud of my heritage, being parts Italian and Swedish. The author gives an impression, even if he doesn't actually state it, that he believes this is a poor quality in a person. I believe he bases this opinion based on 'race loyalty'. The thing which I believe destorys this, however, is the fact that whether you have 'race loyalty' is entirely dependent on what kind of man or woman you are.
If I was in a group on non white people, who were telling jokes about white people, I'd certainly be offended and speak my mind. This does not translate into me preferring to play soccer with white people rather than people of other races, or refusing to eat with people from other races.
If anything, I'd say that this professor does not choose his words wisely enough and needs a PR department. Also he seperates the world into distinct factions, it seems, when what is needed in the world now is more unity.

[monolith94]

This passage reveals alot:
scratch that, that's from a perody article not a real article!!!

[Al B. Sure!]

monolith:

What does that mean? He physically altered his skintone?!

[David Floyd]

This has the problem of creating that idea that people become 'white-washed' if they become successful. Some minorities see being successful as selling out your people or origins to become 'white'. You leave the city and move to the burbs with all the other whiteys, as if your race or neighbourhood is too low to you. Success and a proper education is equated to trying to be white.

This idea is detrimental to progress among blacks, hispanics, and even whites in America. Fear of being white-washed hampers success and the social and economic rising of minorities.

So, in conclusion, those "some minorities" are a bunch of ****ing idiots.

At least that's the impression I get. Sounds like they're trying to blame white people for their own whacked out perceptions.

More blacks want to grow up to own SUVs and big houses? Fine. Here's a thought - DON'T COMMIT CRIMES. Look at the statistics - blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime in the US. That's not racist, that's a fact. Unless you're going to tell me that the reason there are more blacks in jail, percentage wise, for violent crime is that all juries are racist

Here's another one - DON'T SEGREGATE YOURSELF. Don't clamor for black only dorms on college campuses, and don't form your own race-based cliques in high school.

The point is, blacks do just as much, and probably more, to make themselves different, than any supposed "white privilege" does.

Oh, and by the way:

as if your race or neighbourhood is too low to you

If someone can afford to move out of the projects or the inner city, and move to the suburbs where they have a better chance of living past, oh, tomorrow, then their old neighborhood IS too low for them, isn't it? Maybe instead of crying about it, the other people in the neighborhood should look to see what the successful person did right.

[David Floyd]

Carver,

I was being illustrative with the language.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. If I choose to be "illustrative with the language" in that way, I'd probably get shot (at least if I ventured away from the good part of town). There's a word for that - hypocrite, anyone?

I know what you mean. Gettin' rid of the races just ain't right. Whites need to stay in the white place, and the ******s in the ****** place.

Funny how it's black people who insist on having their own black dorms, black fraternities, and black cliques, isn't it?
Don't spew bull****. No one gives a **** anymore about whether or not someone is black except for black people themselves (and, OK, a very very small percentage of other ignorant people).

[Al B. Sure!]

Obviously Dave Floyd... and you just agreed with me without even knowing it...

[David Floyd]

Well if we're agreed, great

[David Floyd]

But I think the author was blaming whites for the perception, not the people who have the perception, which is the wrong way to go about issuing blame.

[Al B. Sure!]

I was worried about mis-interpretation so I kept on saying this basic idea:

Fear of being white-washed hampers success and the social and economic rising of minorities.

And then you responded with the exact same ****...

Maybe instead of crying about out, the other people in the neighborhood should look to see what the successful person did right.

come on, dave... got to be sharper than that...

[Gatekeeper]

Ron Jeremy, Carver:

Boy, oh, boy, I do certainly live like an elite privileged and well-educated white man!

My spacious efficiency apartment (one room contains living, sleeping and eating quarters), my 1990-era car, my student loan payments and my $20,000-a-year-after-taxes job all combine together to make me an oppressor of non-whites, eh?

I can't believe I'm a symbol of oppression to the non-white masses.

Gatekeeper

[David Floyd]

AS, I suppose I misunderstood what you were saying...I sorta just assumed you'd be agreeing with him

[monolith94]

All this talk about having poor people get off their lazy asses and work and such… it just reminds me of the Big Lebowski, and the 'rich' guy in the movie…

[Gatekeeper]

Ron Jeremy, Carver:

Hey, what's gonna happen to my "image" if I ever start making between $30,000 and $50,000 a year after taxes? Will I go from "oppressor" status to "mass murder" status due to lifestyle choices?

Gatekeeper

[David Floyd]

All this talk about having poor people get off their lazy asses and work and such… it just reminds me of the Big Lebowski, and the 'rich' guy in the movie…

I assume you're referring to me...my position is that people on welfare should get off their lazy asses and work. Not everyone can be rich, that's an obvious economic fact.