Harvard professor argues for 'abolishing' white race

[MrFun]

Originally posted by David Floyd


This isn't necessarily racism. If you are in a city, and you are aware of the fact that a higher percentage of blacks commit violent crime than whites, then crossing the street is valid, I would say, especially if you are female.

Would I personally do it? Well, if I did, I'd probably treat everybody the same - I'm not a fan of large urban areas and feel inherently unsafe when I'm alone at night. I have a lot of martial arts experience, and am not worried about getting jumped unless the other guy is armed. If I was carrying a concealed handgun I'd feel a little better, but again, you can't be too careful.

In this case scenario, if you were to cross the street in BOTH instances, you would be following your instinct of safety if both wore the same clothes (gangster clothes).

But if you only crossed the street to avoid the black guy, you are doing so out of racism.
Does not mean you're the outright-KKK white supremacist kind, but most of us have a kind of racism in ourselves that we are probably not aware of, yet it leads to behavior that we usually do not stop and think about.

[Carver]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

First, you are making a HUGE assumptive leap with those two sentences you just wrote.

I don't think so at all. Saying that the word should be used more carefully is saying that the person should have watched their language.

You're still making assumptions instead of reading. I NEVER SAID THE WORD SHOULD BE USED MORE CAREFULLY.

And why did you prod those that trashed the parent for, as you say, having a concern?

Because there is a pool of persons in American society that immeadiately thrash any minority person for raising any type of racial issue. I think race is something that needs to be discussed at times. Therefore I don't immeadiately attack someone personally (as was done here) for raising an issue - regardless of if I agree or disagree. Thus, I defend the idea that it is reasonable to raise a racial concern - again regardless of if I agree.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by David Floyd
A white person faces danger from anyone, I wouldn't say they face more from white people by any means.

I'm still trying to figure out what DF means by his first sentence. Is he suggesting that white people face greater dangers than non-whites? This is not true. Black Americans are more likely to be victims of crime than White Americans

As for his second sentence, in the US white people are more likely to be attacked by whites than someone who is not white, just as blacks are more likely to be attacked by blacks.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Tingkai

As for his second sentence, in the US white people are more likely to be attacked by whites than someone who is not white, just as blacks are more likely to be attacked by blacks.

I think the reasons for this have a lot to do with the fact that a large percentage of crime occurs between people who know each other (eg rape and domestic violence). Additionally a lot of the rest happens due to opportunity, and it's a lot easier to observe and prey upon people in your own neighborhood than to travel to a strange neighborhood and try to unobtrusively observe potential targets for your crimes. What I don't think happens much (if at all) is that a criminal of a particular race decides not to prey upon someone of another race due to their race. Thus David's point is valid to some extent. If blacks are more likely to be criminals than members of other cultural groups, and there is a black guy on David's side of the street and a Chinese guy on the other side, David will probably reduce his tiny chance of being robbed by crossing the street.

Statistics are useful, but sometimes they are difficult to interpret. On the street your own intuition is a lot more useful than racial profiling in any event. I have been attacked by Whites, Asians, Blacks and Hispanics, and I have been helped by members of each group as well, in some cases by people who I didn't know at all who took a risk by doing so. Decency transcends whatever racial or cultural distinctions we might erect. It pays to be open to the humanity (or open to the possibility of it's absence) of those around you rather than ascribing to them whatever attributes you tend to associate with those of their group. By racial profiling rather than using your intuition it is quite possible to travel from an imaginary frying pan on one side of the street right into a very real fire on the other. The scene in the pawnshop in Pulp Fiction springs to mind as a rather extreme example.

[Lars-E]

Not suprised that a person living behind a desk "theorizing" thru life would come up with something like this. Would not be suprised if he was leaning toward the left either. They seem to be indifferent to the value of human life. Just look at the indifferent reactions to Sep. 11. Good thing many of them in the Western world have little power. If they ever came into real power - be prepared for bloodshed. Learn the lessons of history.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Gatekeeper

You like lacing your posts with veiled and not-so-veiled insults, don't you? Does make you feel smarter? Well, don't worry ... I've decided to adopt your writing style for the moment (ever since I began this response, actually) and reply in-kind to what you said directly above: YOUR MAMMA WEARS ARMY BOOTS! You do understand that, Ron, don't you? Unless, of course, "you're a bit simple."

It's just a little object lesson, Gatekeeper. If you choose to make sarcastic posts, be prepared to receive the same, especially if you aim it at someone who loves a fight. Don't try to dish it out if you can't take it back.

Now work on that copy, because you're way off the mark. Get the demons out, boy! Do it for Jesus!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
But you forget that most of the whites in America today came here post-emancipation.

That's not true. Almost half (40%) the US population is English or German stock. Toss in Irish and you have over 50% of the US poopulation, not merely the white population. The vast majority of the immigration from these groups is pre-emancipation.

Just a point.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sikander
I have been attacked by Whites, Asians, Blacks and Hispanics, and I have been helped by members of each group as well, in some cases by people who I didn't know at all who took a risk by doing so.

Dude! How many times you get attacked!?! I've never bee attacked by anyone with whom I wasn't going to school. All my years of living in the worst parts of Chicago, I never once was attacked. And I was a pretty milk-toast looking white boy. After years of dood eating and waste length hair and a scruffy face, I now look like a biker ('cept fot the clothes I wear). The only tim I got into trouble was when I was really stupid (followed someone down an ally for a drug buy ), and I still wasn't attacked.

[Az]

Che the biker

[Caligastia]

Ignatiev wants to get rid of the social construct of the "white race". What does he want to replace it with? The social construct of another race? A social construct based on all races except the "white" race? Whatever he is proposing, he is obviously implying that the "white" social construct is inferior to any other social construct.

His article is nothing more than pointless waffling mixed with a healthy dose of inflammatory language.

[Adalbertus]

I have been attacked by Whites, Asians, Blacks and Hispanics

Can someone please explain me why Hispanics should be a race?

[Az]

I'll second that question. I don't seem to understand it either. What's that stupid definition??

[Ned]

I don't think it is a race within the meaning of the law. We ban discrimination based on national origin as well as on race. For example, Asian, within the meaning of the law, includes people from India. It is a geographical reference.

[Q Classic]

Even a 5th generation East Asian, despite external differences, are also accepted.

funny, sometimes complete strangers talk to me... like.. this... in... a... very... loud... voice... because... i... might... not... under... stand... them...
or aski me about martial art, how they can fight and kick like asian man.

no, asians are discriminated against in all the small, underhanded ways, and we're pretty much stupid enough to take it. besides, it's not like anybody would listen to us, we're all assimilated and what not.

[Dr Strangelove]

Family dynamics and peer pressure have a lot to do with how a person perceives the concept of "getting ahead". Yes, I've known families, black and white, where the children are directly dissuaded from putting in an effort to get an education or even work for a living. Sometimes this attitude comes from envy and resentment of people who have more money, and sometimes it's an expression of fear and feelings of helplessness. Sometimes rejection is a quick and dirty means of establishing a personal identity.