Should i run this banner?

[mapfi]

Markos, knowingly do something is doing something on purpose. If you're contesting that we might just as well stop any discussion. Stay serious!

[MarkG]

mapfi,

first of all, i could not imagine someone could ever be offended from chaplin, except perhaps fascists

second, ever heard of the word "intention"? shall we seek the use of the phrase "on purpose"?

are you saying that if Bush decides to attack Iraq and "knows" that people will be killed then the "purpose" of his action is that he wants to kill people?

[mapfi]

as hard and unreasonable as it may seem but I think yes.
If you decide that you're goal justifies this or that you're also doing this or that on purpose. It might not be your goal, not your purpose and you might not want it, but the fact of knowing that's it is going to happen deprives you of the argument that you didn't do it intentionally. - you're doing it ON purpose.

[MarkG]

ok, so Bush is (about to become) a murderer, a serial killer
fine

[mapfi]

Any warmonger is. Just think about it. It may be that the goal justifies it but in my opinion the fact is still there. Depends if you define murderer by the law or by the fact that somebody is the cause of somebody elses death. You can't neglect that somebody deciding to wage a war is one of the causes of the soldiers' deaths.

[mapfi]

But let's get back to the topic, your banner:

It's bad because it tries to live of the movie, because I can't see any funny statement in it and because there's not even a slight connection between apolyton, buying and Hitler except maybe the fact that it is an order to do something. Anyone that has seen movies of Hitler's speeches knows that he never talked like that, so the banner just doesn't make any sense, it's simply bad.

In my opinion it's not a question of posting it or not because it will or not offend people but because there's no reason to do so. The kitten banner is black humour but it's funny when you look at it the first time. This one just isn't. As Frogger put it ixnay's has at least a punch line. Personally I don't like that one either though. There's more sophisticated humour. In the end - as NYE said it's your right to put on this site what you want as long as it's not against the law, but when you start asking others opinions I'd assume you want to base your decision on that. So don't put it on the site.

[MarkG]

as i said, i have a reworked version under construction. the new banner will include the-great-dictator-ignorants filter technology

beyond that, i have also said that the banner and this poll was part of a previous discussion

[Boris Godunov]

I think the amount of discomfort with the idea expressed in the too-too-many posts about this banner should say that it is probably an idea you best avoid, at this point.

[mapfi]

the-great-dictator-ignorants filter technology just hope that with that you don't wake expectations to filter anything other possibly offensiv too

but, will the reworked version also have some sense in it? I mean, where do you see the funny side of your banner? You mentioned many posts earlier something that you're trying to make fun of advertising though I can't quite see that punch.

[MarkG]

that stuff was not so serious (although i think it actually makes sense )

[mapfi]

So where's the punch?

just a side note: Don't you think you violate copyright if you use the banner anyway?

[KrazyHorse]

Copyright schmopyright.

[Robert]

Markos, can you blame people to be ignorant of the movie?

And can you blame people for seeing hitler and having no clue about the fact that it's Charly Chaplin?

Bush has the choise between much people being killed, and very much people being killed.

You have the choise between no people being offended and people being offended.

[mapfi]

CyberShy:
With the slight difference that Markos actually can be rather sure of the outcome, whereas Bush has to play the lottery.

Copyright schmopyright

It's an ad for something commercial so the fact can't be as easily dismissed as if eg. you'd put it on your private homepage

[MarkG]

perhaps then i should stop posting in the forums cause i might offend someone.....