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  • #76
    Originally posted by MattHiggs
    My next graphics card will either be one of the NV30 range or the ATI 9700. I've not been impressed with nVidia in the past, ever since I got a GeForce 2MX I've always had problems.
    Trust me, ATi will give you more problems than Nvidia.

    I say that from my personal experience (had a Radeon 64MB VIVO) and from work.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #77
      The NV30 will probably be the best one to get... My next solution... and knowing my dad I probably will have to get a trimmed down model.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #78
        Whatever you do Fez don't get a GeForce 4MX... horrible, horrible cards.

        From all the reviews I've seen in magazines they've been raving about the 9700, and I also understand that the 9000 is the best budget card on the market, though I suppose that's no great feat when it's up against the 4mx.

        I know ATI have had troubles in the past with their drivers, but nVidia always seems just to be generally buggy under certain circumstances. I never seem to hear about any bugs when people are running an nVidia card with a P4 though :hmm:

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        • #79
          Ooh and the P4 3GHz chip is out in around December time.

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          • #80
            I am not stupid... anything with MX in it... is no way.

            I am going to stick with nVidia and am getting a new trusty AMD XP.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #81
              The problem isn't with Nvidia, it's with ****ty Via/SiS/ALi.

              Their southbridges are crap and don't work properly, which is why there's far more revisions of Via/SiS/ALi chips than Intel.

              Intel puts their chipsets through literally months of testing for bugs before releasing, Via will spend a couple weeks and SiS/ALi probably a week. They just don't have a budget for it, mostly.

              Lo and behold lots of Via/SiS/ALi chipsets have problems with video cards, from Nvidia to Matrox to ATI to S3. Why do you think every graphics card driver has a "enable compatibility mode" for ALI/SiS/Via but they don't have one for Intel?
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #82
                nVidia cards seem to run a little too hot for my liking.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by MattHiggs
                  nVidia cards seem to run a little too hot for my liking.
                  Then you shouldn't look at the 9700, it's even hotter than a GeForce 4 Ti4600...

                  It even requires an external power hookup.
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #84
                    Just read the review on tomshardware. It completely outclasses the Ti4600 but that can only be expected. I'm just looking if the NV30 chipset has been reviewed anywhere.

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                    • #85
                      nVidia's NV30 is surrounded by even bigger mystery than ATi's future chips - no surprise, nVidia will definitely release their fall part later than ATi, and will probably start shipping much later.

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                      • #86
                        It's due out in Nov/December, the same time DirectX 9 is released.

                        Someone wanna explain to me why anyone would upgrade to a Radeon 9700 now, when a better DX9 part will be out when DX9 is released?
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #87
                          But will it be a better DX9 part?

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by MattHiggs
                            But will it be a better DX9 part?
                            It definitely will.

                            The Radeon 9700's clockspeed is severely inhibited because it's on the 0.15 process. Nvidia's DX9 part is going to be on the 0.13 process, which means the chip is smaller and will clock higher and produce less heat. The 0.13 process won't be ready for the mass market until Nov/Dec though, the same time as DX9's release.

                            It's also well known that NV30 will be 8 pipelines, with 2 texture units each (Radeon 9700 is 8 with 1 texture unit each), NV30 will use a 256-bit bus with 1GHz DDR-II RAM (Radeon 9700 uses a 256-bit bus with 700(?)MHz DDR-I RAM), and NV30's specs are well beyond the 9700's.

                            Stuff like supporting 65K instructions per shader program instead of 1024 on the Radeon...

                            It's on the 0.13 process, so they can do more things.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #89
                              3DCenter - ATi RV250 + R300 and nVidia NV30 specifications
                              http://www.3dcenter.de/artikel/2002/07-14_english_a.php


                              This is where I was looking at the comparison. I know the stats, and the NV30 certainly has the potential to be better. Which is why I'm waiting for benchmarks for the NV30 and the drop in price within the first two months. Then I'll make my decision.

                              ooh and

                              The switch to 0.13 micron is already planned so a spring refresh is a definite possibility. We still think this switch is highly unlikely to occur before the end of the year, mostly because of currently insufficient capacities at TSMC on this process.

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                              • #90
                                Hey I've noticed you're always logging in and out of MSN.... computer not stable?

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