Alberta fumes over Chretien's promise to ratify Kyoto

[blackice]

Don't make fun of his friends because they have an appearance disorder which causes them to be transparant...

Have you noticed so far I have ignored your diatribe, stuck to the issue and so far have made no personal comments about you?

Try it sometime who knows you may even learn something?

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
Have you noticed so far I have ignored your diatribe, stuck to the issue and so far have made no personal comments about you?

Try it sometime who knows you may even learn something?

That comment was made to a drunken Sava, not you.

And BTW, you haven't stuck to the issue. You've avoided the issue completely of how Canada would force Alberta to comply. You said something about withholding funding, but Alberta contributes more than it receives, so that doesn't do much.

[Sava]

no ddue he was talking about me... he was ripping on me cuz Im'; stupid..

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Sava
no ddue he was talking about me... he was ripping on me cuz Im'; stupid..

I wouldn't say you are stupid based upon your posting tonight...

If you have anything you would like to tell us, feel free to make a thread (or use the one I made for you).

Jon Miller

[blackice]

Perhaps surprisingly, some Alberta companies are not divided. They want to meet the Kyoto target and say it's time to get started.

One of those companies is TransAlta, the biggest utility company in the province. Ironically, TransAlta is also the single largest producer of greenhouse gases in Alberta. It wants rules for reducing them.

TransAlta Vice President Bob Page heads the company's division on Sustainable Development.

"The longer we wait the more difficult it will be and the more radical of measures that will have to be taken," Page says.

"So this current sort of drift from a policy point of view is something that I think harms environmental groups and harms industry and harms everybody."

Alberta has been the toughest critic of the Kyoto target. Right from the start, Premier Ralph Klein, said he wasn't going to live up to it, and that Ottawa better not try to bully him. But people watching the political process in Alberta, have noticed that it's public position has changed.

"There was a significant shift in rhetoric about a year ago and that shift in rhetoric was caused largely by a bunch of leading industry people in Alberta going and knocking on the Premiers door and saying 'Hey, this issue is for real and it's moving forward and we better get engaged and get our head out of the sand,'" Hornung says.

Alberta has changed it's tune. It's now at the helm of some of the national talks on what's to be done. It's also set up an office called Climate Change Central, to discuss the issue with industry.

"Alberta's industries are carbon based and it could have a disproportionate affect on Alberta. That's why industry and the province want to take a leadership role in making sure we reduce greenhouse gas emissions," Mar says.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/national/magazine/kyoto/

Most if not all of Alberta's leading polluters agree, Asher does not...

Bottom line they see profits Asher does not.

Now if Klein actually more than lipsinc why not sign the accord? The companies are behind the idea...

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by St Leo
Why are you assuming that an independent Alberta would join the US? I admit that the wacko ratio in Alberta is similar to the one in the US, but it could do quite well on its own or in cahoots with BC.

Damned by faint praise?

And wtf would you know about Alberta and Albertans?

Originally posted by Asher
I think the most likely occurance is, upon separation from Canada, would be to become a US Territory.

I hope you were smoking crack when you typed that. Go from the outhouse of Ontario to the Puerto Rico of the North? It's called state hood or forget it!

Even then, I'm not sure that most Albertans would be totally pleased with the terms of union.

Personally, it would be a crying shame if this project of Canada failed. However, I do not see people around these parts sitting still for our economy being totalled by edict from Ottawa a second time. That's just my views on the mood around here.

As far as the 'interesting people' from Central Canada are concerned... I'll tell you what. We'll gladly shut down one oil field for each factory and every thousand vehicles you moth ball. Fair?

[Asher]

I see the profits, for **** sake.

The companies will do anything for the profits.

If they'll profit from it, WHY DO THEY NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO *FORCE* THEM TO DO IT?

[blackice]

Sava no that was a chat with Asher not you. You man have livened up the conversation. thanks

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I hope you were smoking crack when you typed that. Go from the outhouse of Ontario to the Puerto Rico of the North? It's called state hood or forget it!

Statehood ain't all it's cracked up to be. Territories have more autonomy...

You realize that, with a few exceptions, most States don't even have control over their resources? What about stuff like drinking age too?

[blackice]

I'll tell you what. We'll gladly shut down one oil field for each factory and every thousand vehicles you moth ball. Fair?

You have to go a long way Ontario is second from the bottom in GHG's Alberta is the top.

[blackice]

Asher think beyond the transfer payments you do not read a thing and or ignore the facts. Taxes breaks etc etc. Give it a rest man get with the program

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
Asher think beyond the transfer payments you do not read a thing and or ignore the facts. Taxes breaks etc etc. Give it a rest man get with the program

Stop avoiding the damn issue.

If Kyoto rules increase everyone's profits, why do you need the government to force everyone to do it?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher
You realize that, with a few exceptions, most States don't even have control over their resources? What about stuff like drinking age too?

Exactly my point.

That, and as well as the guy next door to me suddenly owning an uzi.

[blackice]

The companies will do anything for the profits.

No chit sherlock so even if Koyto is not implimented and the energy cost to produce is why to high here, because of lack of energy efficiency they are going to go to the other place anyway right?

Man it does not take a geneous to see that.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by blackice

I'll tell you what. We'll gladly shut down one oil field for each factory and every thousand vehicles you moth ball. Fair?

You have to go a long way Ontario is second from the bottom in GHG's Alberta is the top.

That's because we're extracting the resources. Duh!

You need 'em, we produce 'em. It's a simple equation really.