games banned in greece?

[Bereta_Eder]

the first link was very funny The one with the forum


I'm writing from an Internet cafee BTW. Do you think they'll arrest me? Don't rejoice fookers, it won't happen

About the subject, I don't know much about it, certaintly less than Markos. I think originally the gov. tried to enforce some kind of ridiculous taxation on internet caffees and treat them like casinos but now they pushed it even further?

This originates as was said already from the infamous froutakia, the one hand thieves, the slot machines the FRUITS.

The phenomenon had taken huge proportions. Apparently Greeks like to gamble and fortunes were lost.

After the government tried to deal with that, the ingenious and industrious Greeks turned to electronic gambling turning the PCs into virtual casinos.

I think it will propably be changhed again or more likely not be enforced after the situation has been controlled.

BTW, Marko did u see Gianopoulos in a "politistiko kentro = skyladiko talking with one of the "victims" of the frutakia some time ago?


_I am ruined Mr. Gianopoulos

_You shouldn't play!

_What am I going to do now? I've lost all my money gambling. I can't support my family. You (the gov.) are responsible for this!

_WHY DO YOU PLAY????!!!!!


hilarious exchange

[Seeker]

I still can't believe this isn't a joke.

If they tried that here in Korea, the students would literally overthrow the government.

Check out the amount of time the average S.K. spends at a 'PC-Bang' and also that everyone 18-21 has military training.

[Bereta_Eder]

Well I have to say I haven't noticed anything has changed... Guys are right now playing LAN CS in the upper and down floors of the internet caffee as we speak, at least 50 of them. :shrugs:

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW Hatziioannou (the english should know him. "easyeverything" etc?) as well as other enterprise men have alredy informed the government that there are ways of checking and monitoring PC activity and making sure that noone uses the PC for casino purposes.

OTOH I've heard of a internet caffee in central Greece (Don't remember the name now) where the whole arsenal of its PCs can turn into virtual casinos and the owners REALLY don't want to report it...

I think the law will be enforced to those who do that and that the others will be left alone.

It just gives the gov. the ability to act when it is needed. IMHO.

[Bereta_Eder]

Before I go just a final thought.

I know that there are laws regulating where you can gamble. And that these places are taxed according to the proper procedures. And I know that the government loses a lot of money if it can't control gambling.

OTOH the societal prioportions that this tyhing has gotten, namely the fortuns that are lost, I think weights or should weight on the individuals themselves.

One on hand the government has every right to protect its interests which are (or should be ) the interests of the people. Namely filling the country's treasure coffers with the taxes from the gambling places.

BUT you can't expect the government to be held responsible for your own stupidity. If you want to gamble and lose all your money, it's your fault and not the government's or anyone else.


I just wonder, if the internet caffees just reported that they are now using the place for gambling (those who do).... that way the government could just tax them and since there is sucha big demand, apparently, for gambling then they should also exist.


The whole point, IMHO and uneducated on the subject, opinion is the huge money the government loses from being unable to tax properly all the gambling places and less the gambling habits themselves.

Salut.

[Adalbertus]

Apoc, Civ3 is illegal unless i can prove that my computer is 100% mechanical

It is. 100% purely quantum mechanical

Why don't they simply make gambling illegal? There were so many gambling machines which don't use electricity some time ago... Gamblers can change to these and nothing would be won with the law.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Adalbertus

It is. 100% purely quantum mechanical

Why don't they simply make gambling illegal? There were so many gambling machines which don't use electricity some time ago... Gamblers can change to these and nothing would be won with the law.

I didn't read any of the articles, but I think that government isn't trying to stop gambling, just that they want to get a cut of it - which they can't do with internet gambling.

[MarkG]

paiktis, you can read the law here

http://www.netcafe.gr/files/pdf/nomos.pdf

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Adalbertus
Why don't they simply make gambling illegal?

well that was the case before this law.
only thing though, it was discovered that the whole system was corrupted. so our brave goverment decided to introduce a new type of games: "ban'em all"

There were so many gambling machines which don't use electricity some time ago...

ah that's ok, the greek state is able to differentiate gambling meganical machines from non-gambling ones and covers them into the ban
when you add electricity to the issue though....

[Adalbertus]

Is the greek government still thinking mechanical? That would explain something.

[civman2000]

This is what happens when you don't have a Bill of Rights that actually gets upheld.

Are you implying the that the US bill of rights does actually get upheld??

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by MarkG
so you're saying that if i go outside of US army base and start taking pictures, a gentle female soldier with a sweet voice will come to me and say

"oh please, mister Apolyton, don't take pictures here. please, sir, stop"

OK, cool

No Mark, as long as I stand outside the fence, I can take all the pictures that I want. Now when I'm inside the fence, then I must have permission to take pictures. Several years ago at Beal Air force Base I took pictures of a J-58 engine. That engine was for the SR-71. The engine was just sitting there in the open spaces. At an airshow at Travis AFB I have taken picture of the F-117 from about 25 to 30 feet away. They have a little rope around the plane, keeping people 25 to 30 feet away for it. I even had one the guards pose in the picture. And I used a 135 telephoto lens.
Mark we are really an open country, look how easy it was to highjack 4 airplanes.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Before I go just a final thought.

I know that there are laws regulating where you can gamble. And that these places are taxed according to the proper procedures. And I know that the government loses a lot of money if it can't control gambling.

Do you know how many American Football pools there will be for the next 20 weeks in the US. About 50 to 70% of every job, office, school will have a pool every week, some of them will be 500 to 1,000 dollars a pool and the Gov. will not get a pennie.

[Adalbertus]

Still well in times of the cold war (1984?) I was on a hike in the black forest. On one of the mountain tops (Hornisgrinde) there was a (US?) military installation, also with a sign which disallowed taking photographs. It was written in English, French, German and --- Russian. I think they might as well have written a Russian version "take your photographs here".

[Jaakko]

So, can you still buy games in hairy Greekland?