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    The Chinese government is no longer suppressing its anger at certain Western nations for their acknowledgement of Vietnam and North Korea as independent nations. One Chinese official states, "Vietnam and North Korea have been an inseparable part of Chinese territory since ancient times." China, whose civilized history spans nearly 4000 years has controlled nearly all of East Asia at one time or another. During the Later Han Dynasty China ruled most of the Korean penisula:



    Following that dynasty China gained a significant portion of Vietnam:



    The Chinese leadership claims that these territories became somewhat confused in Western eyes during some of China's occasional restructuring of government. Although China has placed heavy troops along its borders with North Korea and Vietnam, the government still hopes that reintegration will go smoothly and unhindered. "Peaceful reunification of the motherland is a set policy of the Chinese government. However, the Chinese government is under no obligation to undertake any commitment to give up the use of force," explains Gong JianZhong, Press Counsellor for the PRC embassy in London. While each nation holds its own economy and are represented separately in the Olympic games, the Chinese argue that they are permitted to do this as separate tariff zones, an economy or sports organization under the one-China principle but not as independent states.

    When questioned further about Vietnam's and North Korea's status according to China, the Chinese leadership responded, "Most governments of the world, including the British government, recognize that the People's Republic of China is the sole legal government representing China and that Vietnam and North Korea are part of China. We are opposed to any attempt to split China in any form."

    Without the American military support that holds China at bay from taking South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan, one must wonder how long North Korea and Vietnam can retain their claims of independence under this kind of pressure. One must also wonder, if China successfully gains control of these two countries by this method, where will they turn their eye next?
    Last edited by DaShi; August 29, 2002, 23:40.
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  • #2
    ahh my screen!

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    • #3
      That post was kinda hard to read...assuming it's for real, which I sorta doubt, I gotta make a couple of points - with or without US assistance, China currently has no chance of defeating Taiwan, South Korea, OR Japan in a conventional war, and last time they invaded Vietnam, they lost 55,000 dead in a couple months - it took the US a decade to lose that many.

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      • #4
        Had to get rid of the last image as it was too big. Sorry for the trouble with it.
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        • #5
          Of course China can take those territories. The question is can they hold them?

          In any case this isn't real.

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          • #6
            This should be better.
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            • #7
              Of course China can take those territories. The question is can they hold them?
              I sorta doubt they can take them both. Certainly not both at the same time. Even if they took down North Korea first, Vietnam would be prepared, and vice versa. The PLA would be pretty wrecked in such a war, anyway, at least in terms of manpower losses.
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              • #8
                what does that prove?

                That if some god could magically move china ontop of the U.S. they could win a war with us? Well they probably could. They would crush us.

                edit: simultaneous invasions. They have the manpower for it. But they probably couldn't hold it. They don't have the logistics, and air power- not to mention naval power.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by David Floyd
                  they lost 55,000 dead in a couple months - it took the US a decade to lose that many.
                  I don't think that the Chinese Army cares about 55,000 dead.
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                  • #10
                    Right, but the point is they'll take massive losses, and won't be taken seriously at all by, say, South Korea or Taiwan. Not that either of those nations has anything to fear from the PLA to begin with, but still.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dissident
                      what does that prove?

                      That is some god could magically move china ontop of the U.S. they could win a war with us? Well they probably could. They would crush us.
                      I just like the tone it sets for the ending.
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                      • #12
                        And if you really believe China wants back control over North Vietnam and Korea, I've got a bridge to sell you, CHEAP!
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                        • #13
                          Right, but the point is they'll take massive losses


                          The point is they don't consider that a massive loss.
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                          • #14
                            DaShi, et al.:

                            First of all, somebody had better inform Rome about this. I'm quite sure they would be *very* interested in the fact that former territories — even independent for hundreds or thousands of years — can still be claimed.

                            Secondly, I don't think this story is true. Where's the source?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by David Floyd
                              Right, but the point is they'll take massive losses, and won't be taken seriously at all by, say, South Korea or Taiwan. Not that either of those nations has anything to fear from the PLA to begin with, but still.
                              The PLA is embarking on a long term modernization and professionalization plan to address it's shortcomings. They still won't give a rat's ass about 55,000 casualties, but they'll be able to deal a lot more damage for those losses in the coming couple of decades.
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