US to invade France!

[Serb]

Originally posted by TheStinger
I'm not sure raw output of pig iron shows anything. By the late 1890's Britain and Germany were producing high quality steel.

Big countries have big rail networks.

The output shows nothing. The growth of output shows a lot.

Products year
(millions of roubles) 1877 1887 1892 1897

Textiles 297.7 464.2 581.6 946.3
Food products 17 37.9 47.9 95.7
Animal products 67.7 79.6 72.6 132.0
Wood 16.8 25.7 33.3 102.9
Cotton 12.7 21 25.5 45.5
Chemicals 10.5 21.5 35.3 59.6
Ceramics 20.4 29 32.3 82.6
Metal goods 89.3 112.6 162.3 310.6
Other goods 8.6 10.4 19.5 41

The average annual growth in production was (in millions of roubles):
1878-1887 1888-1892 1893-1897
26.1 41.6 161.2

The development of the extractive industries:
Product 1877 1887 1892 1897
Coal 110 277 424 684
Oil 13 167 299 478
Cast iron 23 36 64 113
Iron 16 22 29 30
Steel 3 14 31 74

References to Russian Prime minister Sergei Witte report on the state's Budget for 1900.

Between 1860 and 1890, annual coal production had grown about 1,200 percent to over 6.6 million tons, and iron and steel production had more than doubled to 2 million tons per year. The state budget had more than doubled. Between 1850 and 1900, Russia's population doubled and Russia's population growth rate from 1850 to 1910 was the fastest of all the major powers except for the United States.
Russia was the fastest growing economy in the world. Unfortunately WW1, Tsarist's internal policy which caused revolution and civil war, has stoped this growth.

[TheStinger]

Russians like being ordered about by men with moustaches

[Serb]

Originally posted by TheStinger
Big posters telling people what to do, may work on russians not on us independant Brits

It was posted for Heresson

[TheStinger]

Being the fastest growing economy means bugger all.

Luxembourg could be the fastest growing economy, it doesn't mena it can outproduce Germany in Tanks

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
I always wondered why Serb likes this poster so much...

It helps to avoid lack of arguments.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Serb


It was posted for Heresson

Sorry I take back my comment on mustaches then

[Serb]

Originally posted by TheStinger
Being the fastest growing economy means bugger all.

Luxembourg could be the fastest growing economy, it doesn't mena it can outproduce Germany in Tanks

Sure. Luxembourg doesn't cover 1/6 of the Earth surface with any needed natural resources and doesn't have 200 million population. If it will have such two things I'm 100% sure that it could out produced in Tanks not only Germany but anyone.

[TheStinger]

Yes, eventualy you would have caught up, my point is that you hadn't

[Dr Strangelove]

If measuring Pig Iron production is important to you then the US actually gained the number 2 spot as early as 1810.

In 1900 Russia's GNP was 5th in the world, behind the US, the British empire, the French empire and Germany.

While serfs were technically freed in the 19th century, it actually remained legal for a Russian employer to beat his employees until 1905. Even in the 20th century there were numerous instances of Russian employees being beaten to death.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
If measuring Pig Iron production is important to you then the US actually gained the number 2 spot as early as 1810.

In 1900 Russia's GNP was 5th in the world, behind the US, the British empire, the French empire and Germany.

While serfs were technically freed in the 19th century, it actually remained legal for a Russian employer to beat his employees until 1905. Even in the 20th century there were numerous instances of Russian employees being beaten to death.

I love measuring pig iron

[Serb]

In 1900 Russia's GNP was 5th in the world, behind the US, the British empire, the French empire and Germany.

Really? What about 1913?

While serfs were technically freed in the 19th century, it actually remained legal for a Russian employer to beat his employees until 1905. Even in the 20th century there were numerous instances of Russian employees being beaten to death.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it caused the revolutions. But was it somehow different from afro-americans beaten to death, lynched, burned by white guys in USA in XX century. In times when such crimes were simply impossible in Evil empire, in SU.

Remind to me, in which year you have abolished the segregation? If you abolished it of course.

[Pekka]

Here we go Rangers here we go *clap clap* !

[Faeelin]

Originally posted by Serb


Is it somehow different from GB and France policy of cajoling Hitler (such as Czechoslovakia f.e.) and pushing him in war vs. SU?

Because Stalin was a foul, who beleived that he tricked Hitler with this non-agression pact, and that he won some time for preparation to war with Hitler.

Beign an ignorant American, I'd say the difference would be that the British didn't raise the Union jack over Eastern Czechoslovakia. How did they push hitler into a war? If anything, they DELAYED THE WAR. Read Mein Kampf. The entire thing consists of hitler's desire to conquer Russia. The party's policy had been designed for a total war between russia and germany.

Stalin didn't think there would be a war for a while, if ever. That's why he blatantly ignored warnings that there were German armored divisions on his border.

Oh, and he might not have needed the time if he hadn't decided the armyw as plotting against him in 37. Notice how when the Japanese invaded and were smashed, it was by the siberian divisions, who were least purged?

He's right about turn of the century Russia, though. It was on its way up, but lost it all in the civil war.

[TheStinger]

When your economy is lagging it is very easy to have high growth, as in China now or Japan after the war.

The trick is to carry on growing when the economy has got over its initial backwardness.

Russia may have matched western europe and US through capatalist econmic methods, the truth is though they didn't and we will never know for certain if they would have

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Serb

Really? What about 1913?


Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it caused the revolutions. But was it somehow different from afro-americans beaten to death, lynched, burned by white guys in USA in XX century. In times when such crimes were simply impossible in Evil empire, in SU.

Remind to me, in which year you have abolished the segregation? If you abolished it of course.

When caught lynchers were subject to the law, but employers in Russia prior to 1905 were protected by law.

Funny how the minority groups in the good ol' Soviet Union abandoned ship when the opportunity arose. It would appear that you folks made them uncomfortable for some reason. Care to elaborate?

Should we mention the persecution of minorities in Imperial Russia? Many of them were actually fostered by the imperial goverment. I also seem to recall that the persecution of minorities was continued by the communists. Well, just because they were revolutionaries doesn't mean they couldn't honor the old traditions, does it?

Have you solved the Jewish problem yet?

Segregation? About half of my patients are black, how about yourself?