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The US has been a super power since the turn of the 19th/20 the century.
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Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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Fine. Then Russia was a super power since 1721 when we crushed Sweden.Originally posted by TheStinger
The US has been a super power since the turn of the 19th/20 the century.
What is your definition of Super power?Comment
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A nation who economicaly, politicaly and militarily dominate large areas of the world, beyond their own immediate borders.Originally posted by Serb
Fine. Then Russia was a super power since 1721 when we crushed Sweden.
What is your definition of Super power?
crushing Sweden doesn't count.Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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This is exactly the definition of Russian Empire since the Peter the Great reign. It was the LARGEST continious land based country in the world. It's the only competitor is colonial Britain.A nation who economicaly, politicaly and militarily dominate large areas of the world, beyond their own immediate borders.
Sweden under Karl XII was a European butt-kicking power. Very strong power. After its defeat Russians gained the Baltic states and access to Baltic sea.Comment
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No its not, you couldn't project power along way form your borders. On your definition Canada is a superpowerSpace is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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Canada is your former colony.
Why the f*ck Russians should projected their power to the edge of the world if they could took nearby countries? We projected our power pretty well. We took our neighbors one by one into our Empire. Some joined by force, some joined by "their own will". If expansionism is not a power projection, then wtf is it?
And btw, how exactly USA projected its power?Last edited by Serb; September 2, 2002, 06:02.Comment
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Im not saying russia wasn't a power just that it wasn't a superpower.
America had the largest economy in the world by 1900 and was I believe kicking the Spanish out of the Philipines.Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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As well as USA.Im not saying russia wasn't a power just that it wasn't a superpower.
So what? Russia has the second largest GNP after USA and had better industry growth (I realise that it sounds weird, but it's true). We have 200 millions of population and those population occupied 1/6 of all world's surface land. Our currency was valuable as British curency and we had no inflation at all, even during Russo-Japanese war. Our agricaltural export was more then American and Argentinian exports combined. Pacific is an American backyard, we kicked much more asses and much stronger asses then Spanish in our backyard. F.e. Russian campaign in Italy vs. French or wars vs. Turkey in Turkey.America had the largest economy in the world by 1900 and was I believe kicking the Spanish out of the Philipines.
Why you consider that USA was a super power, while Russian Empire wasn't?Last edited by Serb; September 2, 2002, 07:25.Comment
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Complete toss.
The Russian economy was not a parch on the US, British,German,French economies.
Industrialization didn't start until the 1890's. You didn't even emancipate all the serfs until the 20 century.
Russia compared to europe and the US was backward, it was able to ponce about pretending it was a major power on the basis it had large amounts of troops to expend.
Once it needed economic strength aswell as alot of manpower it got beat.
You didn't have enough guns for your troops in WW1.Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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And btw, we emancipated all serfs in 1861.Comment
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I'm not sure raw output of pig iron shows anything. By the late 1890's Britain and Germany were producing high quality steel.Originally posted by Serb
And btw, we emancipated all serfs in 1861.
Big countries have big rail networks.
China and India produce in absolute terms produce lots of manufactured products, it does not make them advanced industrialised countries.
Russain was playing catch up and still had a long way to go.
EDIT- fair enough on the emancipation point i was talking bollocks on that oneSpace is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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Get Him, Stinger!"I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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I'm glad to see you too Heresson
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Big posters telling people what to do, may work on russians not on us independant Brits
Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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I always wondered why Serb likes this poster so much...
"I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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