The Sum of all Trite

[Az]

DD: amazingly enough , I never played R6. I meant the book .

[DinoDoc]

There's a book?

[Az]

Imagine that. Tom Clancy does books too , these days!

[Andrew1999]

I quit reading Tom Clancy after Debt of Honor. He feels like he has to top himself in every book, and his plots have gone way past being ridiculous.

[rah]

Originally posted by Lorizael

A friend of mine, who also happens to have read everything by Tom Clancy, said that Hunt For Red October was really the only good movie based on a Tom Clancy book.

Having read everything also, I must agree.

The worst was Clear and Present Danger. The book ending with Ryan pissing on himself behind the machine gun in the helicopter was a great ending. SO, of course, they had to change it to that boring roof chase scene in the movie. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING.

I'll wait to see SUM until it's on cable for free.
Not falling for that one again.

RAH

[Arrian]

They always **** up Clancy stories. Red October was a good movie, but even then silly changes were made (like part of the ending... for no apparent reason that I could see).

Clear & Present Danger was an ok book and a mediocre movie. Patriot Games was slightly better in both forms.

I didn't like the book much, so I have no intention of seeing Sum of All Fears.

Clancy is very much a flag-waving patriot, but his flag-waving does not extend to Americans he decides are bad... this usually involves corruption or incompetence. This is a man who dreams of an honest, principled, capable, and yet reluctant, man as President (hence, Ryan becoming president at the end of Debt of Honor). 'Tis a pleasant fantasy.

-Arrian

[Dr Strangelove]

These days most of Tom Clancy's books are farmed out to other writers. I think that "Sum of All Fears" may have been the last one he wrote personally.

I've long thought it weird that an Irish-American wrote a novel that portrays the IRA as the bad guys.

[Az]

Dr. Strangelove : well, in "Rainbow Six" he makes his stance rather clear on the subject, through the main hero in the book , John Clark , who's also an Irish-American.

Clancy is very much a flag-waving patriot, but his flag-waving does not extend to Americans he decides are bad

I know that. I have no problem with those people as people, but I don't like them as writers.

[Garth Vader]

I saw the movie before I read the book, and liked both.

Any attempt to correlate the two of them will end in frustration because they are quite different stories.

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Arrian This is a man who dreams of an honest, principled, capable, and yet reluctant, man as President (hence, Ryan becoming president at the end of Debt of Honor). 'Tis a pleasant fantasy.

-Arrian

yep, it certainly is

but i've always pictured Jack Ryan as slightly to the left of Ronald Reagan (to say the least) , who seems to be Clancy's ideal

[Imran Siddiqui]

My favourite parts were how many people survived the disaster

Well the bomb wasn't done correctly. There was a nuclear reaction, but it wasn't set up right, so it was much, much smaller than basically any atomic bomb. Great explination of it in the book.

[ThePantaloonDog]

I would have liked it much more if they blew up Denver then Baltimore. If they blew up Baltimore where would I go to party?

[red_jon]

I still don't understand WHY Russia and America nuking each other was beneficial to the Europeans

edit : (in the sum of all fears)

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by red_jon
I still don't understand WHY Russia and America nuking each other was beneficial to the Europeans

For f*cks sake, the EU wasn't behind the damned plot.

Staples the message to rj's forehead.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
For f*cks sake, the EU wasn't behind the damned plot.

Staples the message to rj's forehead.

I just said EUROPEANS. As in the European bad guys. No Union mentioned in that post. What did they stand to gain? I still don't get it.