Is there ANYBODY in the world that still denies the severity of global warming?

[CyberGnu]

CICS, and you still don't understand the scientific world. What you're saying might be true if there was only one single scientific publication in the world.

As we all know, this is not the case. If you feel your paper was unfairly treated by the reviewers, you can submit it to a different journal. Several times, in fact... I know one paper that wa bounced four times before it was finally published. (although, the reason it was bounced so many times was because it was a worthless paper, not becuase the reviewers hated the guy. In fact, the only reason it was finally published after three years was influence from the senior author).

Furthermore, the reviewers do have to give reasons why they refuse publication. and I suspect this is the part you haven't understood: not agreeing with a hypothesis is not a basis for refusal.

I guess I should repeat that for further emphasis. Not agreeing with a hypothesis is not a basis for refusal.

What a reviewer is supposed to base his decision on is whether the conclusions in the paper are support by the data, as well as whether the paper is written in a coherent and legible manner. That is it. If you want to present a theory and your theory is supported by the data you have measured, submit away.


But why listen to me? I only have a PhD in chemistry and a number of published peer-reviewed articles. You obviously know better.

[CyberGnu]

BTW, dissident, there is a proven correlation with gas prices and gas consumption. Why do you think european nations have more than 400% tax on their gas? Raise the prices and people drive less...

Tripling the gas price in the US would help not only the environment, but would aslo fight strip malls, urban sprawl etc.

[Dis]

yes but that doesn't fly in the U.S.

Just try getting rid of SUV's and see what happens. Same with huge gas taxes.

I already hate gas taxes as a source of income. Because of **** like that they won't fix our traffic lights. There is no incentive for syncronizing the lights because that would lead to better fuel efficiency and less money for the politicians.

[CyberGnu]

dissident, how is that an answer? the whole point of the Kyoto treaty is that it does require sacrifices, and Europes contempt for the US is largely based on the US unwillingness to ever make a sacrififice for the common good.

[Guest]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
CICS, and you still don't understand the scientific world. What you're saying might be true if there was only one single scientific publication in the world.

Yes you are quite correct.
However, I find it amusing that papers affirming "greenhouse" make it into "Science" and "Nature" whilst those refuting it have to resort to a specialist journal.

Now I know that this has changed recently, but at the end of the day, the Media only know that the "popularly known" journals have published in favour of the greenhouse hypothesis, whereas, the detractors suffer being ignored in specialist journals.

So the Public perspective on this hypothesis is driven in an unbalanced way.

You should check out Still Waiting for Greenhouse

I still worry what will happen to Science if the populace is conned into agreeing to hurtfull measures and then "greenhouse" is proved wrong, or doesn't happen.

I'm not sure that the backlash would be devastating.

[Guest]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
dissident, how is that an answer? the whole point of the Kyoto treaty is that it does require sacrifices, and Europes contempt for the US is largely based on the US unwillingness to ever make a sacrififice for the common good.

Which is nothing compared to the contempt of Europe felt by the rest of the world, when they say one thing and do the exact opposite with a disarmingly straight face.

Too wit: It appears that whilst Europe has ratified Kyoto, it seems that their CO2 emmisions are increasing:

European Greenhouse Gase Emissions Accelerating
European Greenhouse Gas Emissions Accelerating

BERLIN, Germany, August 22, 2002 (ENS) - Carbon dioxide emissions in the European Union rose in 2001 by three-quarters of one percent, according to new data from the German Institute for Economic Research (DIW). Emitted by the combustion of fossil fuels, carbon dioxide (CO2) is the main greenhouse gas responsible for global warming as it forms a blanket trapping the Sun's heat close to Earth.

And as per usual, the media gets it wrong again, It's Water Vapour that is the MAIN greehouse gas on this Earth, not CO2.

[Vanguard]

However, I find it amusing that papers affirming "greenhouse" make it into "Science" and "Nature" whilst those refuting it have to resort to a specialist journal.

I find this amusing too. But not the same way you do.

Which is nothing compared to the contempt of Europe felt by the rest of the world, when they say one thing and do the exact opposite with a disarmingly straight face.

Yeah, yeah. We're all hypocrites. Hell, I drive an SUV. (my penis seems to be normal sized, however). I also fart a lot. So what? The important thing is reducing global emissions. Not whining like little children about how we are being hurt while those other guys are getting a bigger piece of cake. I'll give up my SUV if I have to.

And as per usual, the media gets it wrong again, It's Water Vapour that is the MAIN greehouse gas on this Earth, not CO2.

This is, at best, a half-truth. Water vapor does have greenhouse properties. But water vapor leaves the atmosphere continually (as rain) and does not build up unless global tempertures increase. This is NOT true of carbon, at least not in the quantities we are sending into the atmosphere.

The question is pretty much moot anyway. We can't live without huge quantities of water in the atmosphere, to run the hydrologic cycle. But we can certainly live with much less carbon in the atmosphere.

[Guest]

Originally posted by Vanguard
The question is pretty much moot anyway. We can't live without huge quantities of water in the atmosphere, to run the hydrologic cycle. But we can certainly live with much less carbon in the atmosphere.

Well there's two assertions with no basis in fact.
How do you know?
What levels of H2O and CO2?

As for SUV's, I live in the City and walk to work, so I expect I'm doing more to ameliorate the so called greenhouse effect. However, that is not the point. I would wish for you to keep driving your SUV and enjoy it if you like it. I don't wish for a bunch of frightened twerps to disuade you from a perfectly normal exercise of your freedom to drive the car you choose to, on the basis of some extremely shacky hypothesis (you can hardly call it a theory as even the facts it purports to explain have been discredited) that the Earth is warming due to North Americas Economic activity!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Vanguard
I'll give up my SUV if I have to.

Will you stop farting though?

[Vanguard]

I'll try to cut back.

[Lincoln]

Actually there was a study published about the effects of bovine farting. I think the solution was to put all of the cattle under some kind of roof and to keep the gas from escaping.

[Vanguard]

Sounds dangerous to me. I picture giant barns full of cattle exploding in terrible methane fueled blasts. The horror, the horror...... the delicious horror.

[CyberGnu]

However, I find it amusing that papers affirming "greenhouse" make it into "Science" and "Nature" whilst those refuting it have to resort to a specialist journal.

Do you find it amusing that papers affirming creationism or flat earth have to resort to specialist journals as well?

There is no conspiracy. There just isn't any facts that support your assumptions... It does scare the hell out of me though that people find it so easy to scream 'conspiracy' when the scientific world doesn't agree with their preconcieved notions...

[CyberGnu]

Which is nothing compared to the contempt of Europe felt by the rest of the world, when they say one thing and do the exact opposite with a disarmingly straight face.

?

Does the rest of the world consist of Israel?

[CyberGnu]

And as per usual, the media gets it wrong again, It's Water Vapour that is the MAIN greehouse gas on this Earth, not CO2.

Read the entire sentence:
Emitted by the combustion of fossil fuels, carbon dioxide (CO2) is the main greenhouse gas responsible for global warming as it forms a blanket trapping the Sun's heat close to Earth.