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  • #76
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara
    What I find amusing is that, despite history to the contrary, many people seem to firmly believe that Saddam is just itching to use WoMD. He didn't use them against US or Israel when he had the chance and ability. Why will he suddenly do so now? Why do people rabidly believe that Hussein is a madman, waiting for the moment when US resolve blinks to embark on a campaign of world conquest? I think some of you play way too much Civ.
    That is only a small concern of a few. There are many more major concerns of Saddam having WoMD, especially nuclear. Refer to previous posts, though they are still incomplete. I may start a thread - though I really dont have the time right now to be posting on these forums...
    "I bet Ikarus eats his own spunk..."
    - BLACKENED from America's Army: Operations
    Kramerman - Creator and Author of The Epic Tale of Navalon in the Civ III Stories Forum

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    • #77
      dictators who are accountable to no one shouldn't have WoMD available to them.


      So when are you preparing the invasion of China and Pakistan?
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #78
        Those are second rate powers. The US is still nibbling at the 3rd-rate ones...
        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
        Ultima Ratio Regum

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Frogger
          Those are second rate powers. The US is still nibbling at the 3rd-rate ones...
          We have to get our units up to veteran status somehow.
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #80
            You mean we might finally see the US acquire a Great Leader (or even a good one)?

            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
            Stadtluft Macht Frei
            Killing it is the new killing it
            Ultima Ratio Regum

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            • #81
              And you thought that our habbit of kicking the crap out of a random country every few years was pointless.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #82
                The US military has improved remarkably in the 1990s.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                  dictators who are accountable to no one shouldn't have WoMD available to them.


                  So when are you preparing the invasion of China and Pakistan?
                  With China, it's no fun when they can shoot back. And there are reports that the US military either already has control over Pakistan's nuclear weaponry or is position to sieze it should the need arise.
                  "Let us kill the English! Their concept of individual rights could undermine the power of our beloved tyrants!"

                  ~Lisa as Jeanne d'Arc

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                  • #84
                    And there are reports that the US military either already has control over Pakistan's nuclear weaponry or is position to sieze it should the need arise


                    ?
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Frogger
                      And there are reports that the US military either already has control over Pakistan's nuclear weaponry or is position to sieze it should the need arise


                      ?

                      Sorry, I read the Times of India daily.
                      "Let us kill the English! Their concept of individual rights could undermine the power of our beloved tyrants!"

                      ~Lisa as Jeanne d'Arc

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                      • #86
                        And there are reports that the US military either already has control over Pakistan's nuclear weaponry or is position to sieze it should the need arise.
                        The expression you're grasping for here is, "use 'em or lose 'em." If the Pakistanis know that the Yanks will try to sieze their nukes the instant hostilities begin, they have that much more incentive to fire immediately, before they're left defenseless. US policy (if true) takes a situation that is dangerous to begin with and ratchets it up several notches. Dumb, dumb, dumb...

                        Btw, is there a comparable program to grab control of India's weapons?
                        "When all else fails, a pigheaded refusal to look facts in the face will see us through." -- General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by uh Clem


                          The expression you're grasping for here is, "use 'em or lose 'em." If the Pakistanis know that the Yanks will try to sieze their nukes the instant hostilities begin, they have that much more incentive to fire immediately, before they're left defenseless. US policy (if true) takes a situation that is dangerous to begin with and ratchets it up several notches. Dumb, dumb, dumb...

                          Btw, is there a comparable program to grab control of India's weapons?
                          Well no, because India isn't in danger of losing it's government to fundementalist elements. Plus they have a no first use policy, and they're further ahead in setting up a nuclear infrastructure (command and control, etc).

                          And no, that's not what that alleged policy would do. It would be implemented in case Musharaf's government is close to being overrun by various Islamic fundementalists, that's when it would happen. Of course, there's no real facts for this other than a story or two in the Times of India.
                          "Let us kill the English! Their concept of individual rights could undermine the power of our beloved tyrants!"

                          ~Lisa as Jeanne d'Arc

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                          • #88
                            India's government is already thoroughly riddled with religious/nationalist crackpots (although India is no doubt a more diverse society than Pakistan, thus diluting the crackpots' influence somewhat). Hindu nationalists have never made any secret of their desire to destroy Pakistan, forcibly convert it to Hinduism, and reabsorb it into India.

                            The world rightly pays attention when Christian churches are attacked in Pakistan. When Hindu mobs kill hundreds of Muslims in India, the act is less newsworthy, at least in the US. Mass murder is a very serious matter, when Muslims do it.
                            "When all else fails, a pigheaded refusal to look facts in the face will see us through." -- General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett

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                            • #89
                              India isn't in danger of losing it's government to fundementalist elements


                              Yes it is.
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
                              Ultima Ratio Regum

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                              • #90
                                The Hindu Nationalist Party are religious fundimentalists.
                                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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