Where's the love?

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by finkian


Sure, he'll just all of a sudden develop a reasonable attitude towards the "Great White Satan of the West."

I did say you have to act a bit nicer. Quite a lot of people who don't like you will still do business with you.

@DanS - well, for quite some time, the USA was the world's largest oil producer (and may still be?). So, was Japan justified in attacking in 1941 when the US turned off the oil tap?

Again, my point is, you acted in 1991 based on self interest, and you're acting in 2002 based on self interest. Not Europe's interests, not the Kurds' interests. Quite probably Exxon's interests, though

[Bereta_Eder]

EU governments have a lot of hypocrisy. many need the US but they talk negatively about her as to not alianate their electorates.


i.e. the crisis with spain and maroco... the US was asked to intervene cause France has ties with maroco and wouldnt let the EU function in a better way.

powel had to intervene (under the table)

same with Greece Turkey. when there is a fire who puts it out? the US.


but there is more to the stories than that.

its not black and white. but just something to please you yankees

[Bosh]

Threads like this would be a lot more interesting if certain posters were simply ignored.

Nah, the "certain posters" are the whole point of these threads

Boshko: I have you on my ignore list so please don't bother typing up a long message as I can't see them.

Bah!
*sticks out fongue at Gian*

[DanS]

IIRC, the U.S. is still the largest producer.

Saddam was stealing reserves. Full stop. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't have tried to stop him?

"Again, my point is, you acted in 1991 based on self interest, and you're acting in 2002 based on self interest. Not Europe's interests, not the Kurds' interests."

Why try to artificially to ignore interests? It was in everybody's interest in 1991, including the US'. That's why Europe and Canada participated. That's why Japan footed the bill.

The case for 2002/3 hasn't even been made yet. The Euros were just freaked out that we were rushing into war with Iraq. So better to give out opposition at first. But it was a little overdone.

But hey, we consult our allies, so give us some luv, big guy.

[Bereta_Eder]

basically the left wing roots (once soviet dominated) of europe show up.

what is interesting is why the right wing doesnt like the US..??????????

the image is of US is of a very powerful rogue state capable of causing bloodshed all over the globe if thats what it takes to promote its interests

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by paiktis22
EU governments have a lot of hypocrisy. many need the US but they talk negatively about her as to not alianate their electorates.


i.e. the crisis with spain and maroco... the US was asked to intervene cause France has ties with maroco and wouldnt let the EU function in a better way.

powel had to intervene (under the table)

same with Greece Turkey. when there is a fire who puts it out? the US.


but there is more to the stories than that.

its not black and white. but just something to please you yankees

Man, you had me scared, think you were becoming pro-American or something!

[orange]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Coalitions only serve to make it more convenient, something that I didn't a pacifist like yourself wanted. They aren't a hard and fast requirement for military action.

It doesn't make the reasons for invasion any better. But what I am saying is that last time we had spoken and military support from many countries, as well as a smoking gun. This time we have neither.

[Bereta_Eder]

IRL I'm just neutral I just see/evaluate facts

[DanS]

"This time" hasn't even started. No case has been attempted to be made by Bush yet.

[Loif]

Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man


If you want to ridicule your own argument, go ahead

But seriously...

Why don't you get your oil from somewhere else, rather than killing people so you can drive SUVs? Or..

...oh, right... because starting a war suits US interests better.

Shhh.. Don't tell them that or else they'll be wanting our oil too.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Loif


Shhh.. Don't tell them that or else they'll be wanting our oil too.

At $60/barrel, if we play our cards right

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by finkian
It's unfortunate that money runs our policy, but a reality. I would like to say that America could do everything based on goodwill towards the fellow man, but it's just not possible. Neither you, nor your son, will live off of goodwill, nor drive to work on saving the world for Iraqi peasants. You will, however, when tensions ease in the middle east.

You seem to be saying that you think American policy should be based on its own national interests, yet you continue to say that that is unfortunate. So should it or shouldn't it. Stand up and take a side and stop contradicting yourself.

[Verto]

I would like to say that America could do everything based on goodwill towards the fellow man...

Yeah, let's get Saddam over here. We'll sing Khumbaya and talk. 'So, dropped any more chemical weapons on you're own people?' 'Still forcing government officials to read you're 19 volume biography?' 'And how's that Mother of All Battles thing going? You've been talking about it since the end of Desert Storm(hope you're still not mad at us), so how are you're preparations coming along?'

You want the U.S. to make its policies based on you're opinions? Double check with you before we make any decisions? I'm sure you're own countries have enough problems, no need to look on the other side of the pond to find them.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, if we don't invade Iraq, then we should boycott 'em. Let Saddam keep his oil - I'm willing to pay higher gas prices.

Back to the original topic.

Love and peace through war and bloodshed.

[Sava]

maybe because the US is a greedy, consumerist society that takes and uses and exploits... just a thought...

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
PS I really want to express my awe at the collective threadjack.

Don't tell me you expected anything else.


Just a question. Do any of you actually write your material as you post or do you just keep a wordpad doc. with anti-american stuff on hand for threads such as this? I'm really curious.


Official American Response. Blah blah blah blah.