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Battle of Chalons!
If the Romans and Visigoths had lost, Europe was doomed.
If the Romans and Visigoths had lost, Europe was doomed.
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Once again, I have to agree with Imran.
Saratoga was the turning point in the American rebellion. The eventual victory of the colonialists gave rise to the modern republic and the concurrent decline of monarchies.Comment
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That's begining to be a nasty habit for you.Originally posted by Zkribbler
Once again, I have to agree with Imran.
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Once again, I have to agree with Imran.
Mwahahaha
. Come to the dark side.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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No...no...must remain virtuous...must vote for...Gore [bleech]...I mean Hillary [yeeech]...I mean Gray Davis [ieeeee]. (ye gods, I might already be on the dark side!)Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Once again, I have to agree with Imran.
Mwahahaha. Come to the dark side.
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Nor so sure. The war takes its origin in claims to the French throne, themselves due to a marriage between a French princess and the English king. Why wouldn't such a marriage have occurred with Saxons? Marriages between different dynasties was commonplace. Plus France was ripe for taking after Philippe le bel's demise and his sons' deaths. And the consequences of teh 100-year war itself are what? France would have lapsed into internal war without the English anyway: For instance, Bourguignons and Armagnacs didn't need foreign intervention I believe.The One Hundred Years War wouldn't have occured.Clash of Civilization team member
(a civ-like game whose goal is low micromanagement and good AI)
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ZKrib:
Well maybe Jon Edwards will bail you out. Hell if he runs, I might vote for him. I don't plan on voting Bush if I can help it
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“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Add 11Sept 2001, USAmoney sqrt evil;
My literacy level are appalling.Comment
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That was a crappy battle then. We didn't even fight back.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Poitiers 732AD and Marathon/Thermopylae/Plataia/Salamis 490/480BCMy Words Are Backed With Bad Attitude And VETERAN KNIGHTS!Comment
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...where's Normandy?"I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
^ The Poly equivalent of:
"I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the MooniniteComment
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How about Yorktown, the coup de grace of the American Revolution, which in turn signalled the beginning of the liberation of the western world?"I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!Comment
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ill vote for thermopylae. if not for that resistance, persia very well may have overrun greece. yes, the final victory of that conflict was salamis, but that could not have happened without the time gained by the spartans at thermopylae. and consequently, neither could the next couple thousand years of european history/dominance.
ive always been more interested in ancient history than modern.
in regards to modern history, i might vote midway, normady, or battle of britain.Comment
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Damn it guys, this is a silly thread! There are far two many battles in history to count and too many turning points- what about Manzikert, in 1071? It is where the turks beat the Byzantine empire after its late 9th century resurgence, and then migrated into Anatolia and took up capital just a few miles from Constantinople- without this defeat the turks might have been unable to take the Bzantine heartland and the area of turkey might have remained Christian- no Crusades, Ottomans , so forth.... Or what if the Assyrians had moved on Judea and not turned back- what if they had sacked Jerusalem and done to the Kingdom of Judea what they did to the kingdom of Israel? Ohh, no monotheistic religions.. minor change.
Thats just two example of an ignored battle- plus perhaps the outcomes of some other battles have been overblown- if spain's fleet had not been destroyed, then.... what? None of us can possibly know the outcome for sure, even have a semi-eductaed guess. Same for Poitiers, or tenochtitilan (what about the capture of Atahualpa?).
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