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  • #31
    More theories

    theory states that "Neandertals were not in fact a separate species, but interbred to a greater or lesser extent with the incoming Homo sapiens, whose genes eventually became dominant at the eventual expense of the genes delivering Neanderthal characteristics" (Caird 1994:150). This hypothesis comes from the fact that Neandertals and Cro-Magnons inhabited the same regions of Europe for thousands of years. It is not beyond a doubt that they did come in contact with one another, possibly even trading and communicating. Evidence from the site of Auxerre in France suggests that Neandertals, like their successors, were using pierced or grooved animal teeth and ivory rings as jewelry. According to archaeologist, Jean-Jacques Hublin, of the Musee de l'Homme in Paris, "Neanderthals were not imitating Cro-Magnon artisans but actively trading with them" (Begley 1996:61).

    With the idea of interbreeding in mind, many scientists "see a more gradual replacement--not by people but by modern genes that spread viruslike around the world, slowly transforming populations" (Gore 1996:34). In this scenario, the genes of Cro-Magnon and the Neandertals would have blended together to produce modern Europeans. When viewing the "late," or "progressive" Neandertals and modern humans, there seems to be a transition between the two. The Saint-Cesaire skull, for example, has an absence of facial projection, which some anthropologists cite as evidence of a hybridization between the two races. Other instances include modern humans with more prominent brow ridges and low vaulted skulls, which are strong Neandertal traits.
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    • #32
      http://www.archaeology.org/0007/abs...eandertals.html
      Nice link. One of the better ones I have seen for human evolution.

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      • #33
        On a different - but related - tack, I'd dearly love to know what happened to the Etruscans. As would a lot of people.
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        • #34
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          • #35
            Originally posted by finbar
            On a different - but related - tack, I'd dearly love to know what happened to the Etruscans. As would a lot of people.
            The Romans had some wars with them. Presumably the survivors became:

            Refugees - moving to other cities in the area. Many of those would have been Greek colonies.

            Dead

            Enslaved

            Joined in with the Romans to eventually become part of Romanized Italy. I suspect this was largest group.


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            • #36
              Please stop misspelling that word, AH

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              • #37
                Ethelred - Yeah. I was pottering around Umbria last year, looking at a lot of the sites, reading a lot about them. Fascinating people. That link you posted points to a couple of popular theories.
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                • #38
                  I believe that neandertols sent there circumsized sons off to all male schools run by marist brothers
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                  • #39
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                    • #40
                      as for breeding out, no one has found any traces of neanderthal DNA in the genome of any modern human?? of course 'absence of proof' and all that....but i'm still skeptical

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                      • #41
                        The capital city of portugal (Lisbon) had 15% of it population in 1600 AD recorded as balack due to the slave trade, none of there DNA exists due to interbreeding, if that can happen in 400 years I imagine the neanderthol DNA could be gone by 20,000 years.
                        The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

                        Hydey the no-limits man.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Hydey
                          The capital city of portugal (Lisbon) had 15% of it population in 1600 AD recorded as balack due to the slave trade, none of there DNA exists due to interbreeding, if that can happen in 400 years I imagine the neanderthol DNA could be gone by 20,000 years.
                          is that true? (and i'm not saying it isn't) thats some stat!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Hydey
                            I believe that neandertols sent there circumsized sons off to all male schools run by marist brothers
                            I hate to break this to you Hydey but I suspect the marist brothers went the way of the Neanderthals about 20 years ago
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                            • #44


                              Oh did they, I must have made a mistake
                              The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits

                              Hydey the no-limits man.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by reds4ever
                                is that true? (and i'm not saying it isn't) thats some stat!
                                Could be (I don't say it is). I've been answered the same kind of thing about Viking genes absent from American Natives.
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