Liberals and Conservatives explained

[orange]

yeah, modern Republicans and Democrats are different than they used to be...

not to mention that the meanings of Conservatism and Liberalism change depending on if you're discussing modern times or pre-1900

[orange]

Adam Smith would be so confused if he landed in the US today

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Albert Speer


Liberals think people are generally bad and hence don't trust people with their money and don't believe people will give to charity on their own.


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Modern Liberalism as headed by Gladstone was a reaction against laissez-faire capitalism which stood around picking it's arse while 1.5 million starved to death in Ireland and an estimated 10 million starved to death in India. It was the photos of starving dogs eating dead babies that really sealed it.

Charity in such conditions is like trying to plug a volcano by sticking your thumb in it.

[Dan Severn]

As I've said before, left and right are not sufficient to explain politics. I'm conservative, though I support many "liberal" ideas. (e.g., legalization of drugs, abolishment of unenforcable laws.) I am quite oppiosed to any governmental power other than the military and judicial systems. Furthermore, I think the military should be kept at home, but ready to strike and eliminate any enemy of the american people. I support term limits for congressmen, and think there are far too many bureaucratic organizations. (IRS, DPS, EPA)

I'd calll myself a "screw'em all," but for some reason people take that badly.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Verto Are you saying republicans opposed the abolition of slavery?

Ah, but the Republicans really weren't the 'right' in those days. The Democrats believed in liberal economy, while the Republicans were for subsidizing big buisness and for big government.

[Al B. Sure!]

No. You maybe, but I don't even think you qualify as a conservative. You'd scare most conservatives, even the politicians.

Why would I?

If this were so, they'd be more likely to support programs such as Drug Rehab, Welfare, etc. The majority of conservatives don't.

I doubt that... simply because conservatives believe that people are fully capable of not needing things like welfare. And any help for people would be by charity (because those who have money are, like all men, naturally good, and would give money)

Bull****. Conservatives and Liberals (mainly, Democrats and Republicans) stand almost equal on censorship. If anything, I'd expect Democrats and Liberals to be against censorship over Conservatives and (edit Republicans. Tipper doesn't count.

All I know is that Gore favoured censorship while Bush don't.

To give those less fortunate a better chance, since they deserve one.

Yeah but as soon as these people succeed, they get robbed... Then when they die (and the estate tax needs to be paid), their children will be artificially set back to some determined beginning point.


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[Asher]

/me jumps into the thread
People should not associate "conservative" with "religion", that's just a sideeffect of some of the certain parties and regions. Some of us conservatives have hearts and aren't religious.

[Dan Severn]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Ah, but the Republicans really weren't the 'right' in those days. The Democrats believed in liberal economy, while the Republicans were for subsidizing big buisness and for big government.

Yes, and the democrat and Republican parties eentually switched places. What's your point?

[orange]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Why would I?

Because you're an illogical fascist

I doubt that... simply because conservatives believe that people are fully capable of not needing things like welfare. And any help for people would be by charity (because those who have money are, like all men, naturally good, and would give money)

Hardly

All I know is that Gore favoured censorship while Bush don't.

Bush Sr. did. Besides, not all republicans are 100% conservative on all issues, and not all Democrats are 100% Liberal on all issues. Especially when, on a political spectrum, American Democrats and republicans are so close anyway

Yeah but as soon as these people succeed, they get robbed... Then when they die (and the estate tax needs to be paid), their children will be artificially set back to some determined beginning point.

What the hell are you on about now?

[orange]

Originally posted by Dan Severn
Yes, and the democrat and Republican parties eentually switched places. What's your point?

He wanted to join the line to shoot down Verto on the Republican = Conservative = Anti-Slavery comment.

[Boris Godunov]

Gore favored censorship? How so?

GW Bush CERTAINLY did. Remember when a a joke Web site emerged that mimicked his campaign site very effectively? Bush complained about it and wanted it shut down. When it wwas pointed out the site owner was using freedom of speech, Bush said, "There should be limits on freedom."

And let's not forget Ari Fleischer's little "People need to watch what they say" remark after September 11.

[orange]

well, Tipper was a big advocate of censorship...especially with music...it probably would have rubbed off on Gore too, i'm willing to concede that much to him...

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by orange
well, Tipper was a big advocate of censorship...especially with music...it probably would have rubbed off on Gore too, i'm willing to concede that much to him...

No, she didn't. Everyone shouts out about her advocating censorship. She advocated warning labels so parents could judge the content of the CDs their kids bought. There wasn't any call to legally restrict people from saying anything.

The most ardent calls for actual censoring I've seen put forth in legislative bills has come from the right, such as censoring freedom of expression (flag burning ammendment) or what people can say on the internet.

[orange]

warning labels is, in my mind, still in the same category as censorship

[Boris Godunov]

No it isn't. It doesn't censor anything. Censorship is the act of trying to prevent someone from saying something. It isn't warning people that the content inside uses bad words.