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  • Homosexuality and Biology

    I have been reading alot of stuff about bioethics and biotechnology, and I have found a rather interesting anaylsis about the whole question of the causes of homosexuality.

    Now, alot of liberals (I myself am a liberal, but for now lest just call this group the lefties in order to make the distinction) are convinced that homosexuality is genetic. This assertion makes no sense if you consider evolutionary biology. According to evolutionary biology, genetic traits that would inhibit reproduction would rather quickly get eliminated since they serve no evolutionary purpose. If there were at any time a homosexuality gene, it would quickly have disappeared from the gene pool for the simple reason that homosexuals tend not to reproduce.

    However, some recent studies indicate that other biological linkages may exist. Prenatal hormone levels seem to have an effect on sexual desire. In other words, the higher the ratio of testosterone, the more attractive females are and the more masculine the child will be (so the stereotype of butch ****s actually has biological grounding). Likewise, the higher the ratio of estrogen, the more attractive men become and the more effeminate the child will be. This throws the questions of gender and sexuality right together.

    On the other hand, the right often argues that homosexuality is "learned." Now, it seems to me that neither side has it right here. It seems fairly obvious that homosexuality, like almost every other human behavior is a combination of environment and biology (nature AND nurture, so to speak).

    Thoughts?
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    My thoughts are "Genetic, environment, who cares?"
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      • #4
        Who gives a crap?

        It means there's more girls to go around.
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        • #5
          A lot of liberals??

          Well, I'm one liberal that used to believe in the genetic theory, but no longer.
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          • #6
            If the trait were recessive then natural selection would never get rid of it because the carriers are unaffected.
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            • #7
              Well, I just believe that it isn't a choice. I'd like to be bisexual (I believe it has many advantages) but I'm just not into guys. At all.
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              • #8
                what about bisexuals... would that be genetic? Or learned? They would be more likely to procreate than homosexuals... so does it have the same cause?

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                • #9
                  Perhaps we're just the only truly open minded people.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Asher
                    Perhaps we're just the only truly open minded people.
                    Don't you wish, Asher?

                    We gay men know better than to mess around with women -- look at all the problems that straight men and bisexual men have, in dealing with women on sexual terms.
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                    • #11
                      MrFun: http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/prod.asp...yougay.2664811
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                      • #12
                        I don't know. I can't help think the mother's stress effects it.

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                        • #13
                          I've already posted my opinion on this... see the recent "whats wrong with homosexuality" thread for full description.

                          There's no such thing as heterosexuality or homosexuality, and thus no genes to control it...
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                          • #14
                            There may well be evolutionary benefits for tribes that have non-child-bearing members who can assist with food production, defense, caring for young, etc. Such individuals, free from jealousies or favoritism for specific young, could have a positive effect on the group's overall ability to survive and thrive. A group of individuals carrying such a gene might have a distinct advantage over groups who did not.

                            As for the stereotype of butch ****s, it is irrelevant given the larger number of lesbians who are not butch ****s. Likewise, the business about ...
                            the higher the ratio of estrogen, the more attractive men become and the more effeminate the child will be.
                            ... also does not fit with the high number of extremely masculine gay men, not to mention the less-than-attractive ones, for which I offer myself as a living example.

                            Perhaps there are more than one factor involved, some gays resulting from the effects you described, others arriving at homosexuality by some other means (i.e. environmental, etc).
                            Last edited by mindseye; July 24, 2002, 23:48.
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                            • #15
                              Asher, what was the point of that link to the mug you provided??
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