New iMacs Get Good Compliments and Superior Rating From PC Magazine

[Asher]

I don't think many of the people reading the thread know what scales means. Didn't mean to offend you.

[Drake Tungsten]

You must possess some sort of pride in yourself in order to be offended. Luckily, I don't have that problem.

I do find it odd, however, that you felt the need to explain "scaled" to me but gave no explanation as to what in god's name a "dual-channel DDR motherboard" is...

[Narz]

I like Macs. Been using 'em ever since the Mac Plus ('87 I think). I even made a corny little shareware game for the Mac back when I was 11 (download here if you feel like it : http://www.narcity.com/fun/projects/WB.html). I can agree that Apple's marketing has been quite bad. Who knows, maybe if Mac has actually let others use its OS instead of letting Windows take over the market then Apple would own 90% of the market while DOS based machines would be virtually obsolete. Of course theres no use speculating, it is doubtful that Apple will ever become more than a niche market now which is a shame because it means we Mac users will never get nearly as much software produced for us.

[Wraith]

--"I take it you've had a lot of problems with some of the other types then?"

Not personally, but I do know some people who have had a fair bit. I've never had any problems with the Fuji ones. The only time I've ever coastered a disc was trying to overburn.

Besides, they look nice

--"If there are cheaper brands than Crucial... any special reason why you like them better?"

Quality, reputation, and warranty. Same reason I tend to buy Asus boards even though there are cheaper. When you build the computer out of quality components you'll have a lot less issues with them.

--"Have you heard any new info on the G5, Asher?"

I'm not Asher, but don't hold your breath. The G5s are going to be primarily designed and used in the embedded market. This is particularly new or anything, but it's more extreme this time than before. I don't think Apple is going to be getting a decent supply of these for some time, and I do have to wonder what the performance will be like.

Wraith
"Change is the essential process of all existence."

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I do find it odd, however, that you felt the need to explain "scaled" to me but gave no explanation as to what in god's name a "dual-channel DDR motherboard" is...

Right now the G4 uses 1 memory channel, with 133MHz SDRAM.
Dual channel theoretically doubles that bandwidth, since there's two channels for the memory to go to. What's more is with DDR memory (Double Data Rate) the RAM in each channel will work at about 333MHz or 400MHz (effective).

That means there'd be a huge jump in memory bandwidth available, finally letting Apple catch up to PCs.

[FlameFlash]

Yeah... Macs have been a long time needing that DDR upgrade... though has DDR been standardized yet? I'm remembering something about there was still a little debate going on about which type of DDR would be standard.

And I'll agree with you, Asher, G4s need a long, dirt nap now. Whatever that rule is of MHz increasing every few months doesn't seem to apply to Apple... and that's just sad.

[Asher]

JEDEC has made standards a long time ago for DDR. They just actually finished standardizing DDR-II. I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia makes a G5 motherboard that it supports dual-channel DDR-II. Nvidia's upcoming NV30 graphics chip runs on DDR-II memory, the first commercial product in the world to do it (128-256MB of 1GHz DDR-II memory on a 256-bit bus...32GB/s...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm)

[Giancarlo]

You know Flameflash I am still waiting for a decent response to my message...

You say a lot folks, but I don't know how Apple can afford any of this now. Especially with rapidly plummeting revenues. Apple was probably hit harder than the PC market.

[Asher]

The G5 will probably cost the same as the G4, Fez. Also remember Apple doesn't make the processors, Motorola does.

Plus Apple has something like $6B in cash.

[Giancarlo]

$6 Billion in cash? Isn't that running out fast... and is Motorola willing to bail out a failing company?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Fez
$6 Billion in cash? Isn't that running out fast... and is Motorola willing to bail out a failing company?

Fez, just what are you talking about?
They made $40M last quarter, why would their cash supply be going down?

Their current assets are actually increasing still.
$5,272,000,00 in Q4 2001
$5,414,000,000 in Q1 2002.

And why would Motorola bail Apple out? What are you talking about?!

[FlameFlash]

Fez, once you actually offer some counter-points to my posts I'll actually dignify some kind of command like that with a response. I've asked you questions, you ignore them, I explain definitions, you ignore them, I respond to your questions and posts, you ignore them and say I'm suffering from idiocy.

You are simply a little anti-Mac troll if you continue to refuse to offer counter-points to my points and counter-points. This argument is over as far as I'm concerned, I'm tired of you wasting my time with your "demands" while not respecting my own questions and posts.

And BTW... just read that Motorola and Apple are working on a motherboard that will support an affordable (okay, so it'll be just as expensive as current upper Mac models) quad processor motherboard and a 1.6GHz chip.

And Fez... rather than just assuming that the $6B is running out fast, why don't you give us some numbers that actually prove that they are.

[FlameFlash]

And it looks like Asher and I posted at the same time... where in the world do you get your info so quickly Asher!


<--- When FlameFlash grows up, he wants to be just like Asher...

But seriously, looks like sheer numbers proved you wrong on that one, Fez.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by FlameFlash
<--- When FlameFlash grows up, he wants to be just like Asher...

you know that Asher is canadian, right??

Jon Miller

[FlameFlash]

@ Miller

I'm Native American... Chippewa actually, my people originated there.