Would seeing the sea part make you believe in God?

[Al B. Sure!]

You wont report him?!

You know what Rasslin... I can see why you now got a chip on your shoulder... you come here missionarying and people respond questioning the truth of your God... this is understandable. The thing is, you must defeat their arguements and prove the validity of your beliefs. You must fully understand what they say, slowly think out a logical resonse, being wary of contradictions and logic traps, post it, and repeat. Paul did not spread Christianity by simply saying God is absolute and all other beliefs are false because of some gut feeling...


thanks

[Lung]

Originally posted by King of Rasslin
Alchemy just doesn't work! It was tried for centuries and it didn't work, and by now we know that it is impossible. And re-arranging isn't the same as creating from nothing.

Alchemy doesn't work simply because it's not scientific. Sound familiar? Alchemy was the precursor to chemistry, and chemistry allows changes to be made at the atomic level. As it stands, we can make wine, and do so in vast quantities. It remains to be seen whether Jesus actually turned water into wine instantly

[Ramo]

Life (or the universe, for that matter) doesn't just "pop" into existence unless it is by God.

You are totally ignorant about Physics. Stop arguing.
1. Most Big Bang based theories assume that the universe started as an incredibly massive singularity. The Universe probably didn't start as "nothing."
2. Matter can indeed "pop" into existence. Due to the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle, time and energy are paired quantities. That is, during a very short time, the uncertainty of energy may be very large. So there are energetic, very shortlived particles "popping" into existence all the time - the virtual particles Boshko referred to.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by King of Rasslin
Alchemy just doesn't work! It was tried for centuries and it didn't work, and by now we know that it is impossible.

Wait a minute - weren't you telling us before that God can do impossible things

I'm getting REALLY confused now

[King of Rasslin]

"You're a tosser?

I'd say 12 and half, 13 tops."

Everyone has to obey the rules of physics, and the rules of Apolyton forums. You aren't supposed to ask for people's age here.

"1. Most Big Bang based theories assume that the universe started as an incredibly massive singularity. The Universe probably didn't start as "nothing.""

So, God made a singularity first, then made it explode (and singularities do not do that naturally. That's why God would have to do it). So what, God still made it all.

"2. Matter can indeed "pop" into existence. Due to the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle, time and energy are paired quantities. That is, during a very short time, the uncertainty of energy may be very large. So there are energetic, very shortlived particles "popping" into existence all the time - the virtual particles Boshko referred to."

But God made time too! Duh!!! He isn't going allow some particles to "pop" without his permission. He made time and he made it so they can do that.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Ramo


1. Most Big Bang based theories assume that the universe started as an incredibly massive singularity. The Universe probably didn't start as "nothing."
2. Matter can indeed "pop" into existence. Due to the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle, time and energy are paired quantities. That is, during a very short time, the uncertainty of energy may be very large. So there are energetic, very shortlived particles "popping" into existence all the time - the virtual particles Boshko referred to.

Jesus - I prefer the bible version.

See? I can blaspheme and make a statement of faith at the same time

[Ramo]

(and singularities do not do that naturally. That's why God would have to do it

I already refuted this assertion. No physical theories satisfactorily explain the events at a singularity.

You're completely ignorant about physics; stop making a fool of yourself.

But God made time too! Duh!!! He isn't going allow some particles to "pop" without his permission. He made time and he made it so they can do that.

Dude, what are you on?

[King of Rasslin]

I'm progressing here! First of all, there is a God out there, regardless of how the universe was made. That is what I'm trying to tell you. God made the universe in 6 days, but I'm just trying to show you that nothing can exist without Him.

[King of Rasslin]

"I already refuted this assertion. No physical theories satisfactorily explain the events at a singularity.

You're completely ignorant about physics; stop making a fool of yourself."

Even in a singularity, gravity is there. If gravity wasn't there, then light could escape from a black hole. But we know that light cannot escape from a black hole, so therefore gravity is in there. To make a black whole explode, only God can do it.

[Ramo]

I'm just trying to show you that nothing can exist without Him.

You've completely failed in "showing" this. Because you don't know a thing about physics.

[King of Rasslin]

"You've completely failed in "showing" this. Because you don't know a thing about physics."

What do you know? You tell me how the universe was created.

[orange]

I'd probably search for non-deity related causes

the story is a farse.

And so is Sodom and Gomorrah. Most likely it was natural causes or even a war turned into a story about god. And if it was god's doing, i wouldn't want him as my god anyway...

[Ramo]

Even in a singularity, gravity is there. If gravity wasn't there, then light could escape from a black hole. But we know that light cannot escape from a black hole, so therefore gravity is in there. To make a black whole explode, only God can do it.

At the point of the singularity it is impossible to predict physical behavior. We have no idea what happens. It's very simple. Understand?

"God dun it" is not the only explanation.

[orange]

King - people use religion as a means to answer questions that they can't answer themselves, or questions where answers are not found easily. It's been done throughout history. As we as people discover real answers to our questions, we depend less and less on religion myth legend and folklore to make sense of the universe.

Believe in God if you want, but you can't prove it so don't even try.

[King of Rasslin]

""God dun it" is not the only explanation."

That is true. But "God dun it" is the only correct explanation. Singularities become infinitely smaller, and physics do not break down in them. And if the universe was created from one, why won't another universe emerge from the hundreds of black holes we have now?

Orange, the Bible isn't wrong. It is the word of God and everything in it is true. If you don't want God as your god, then are you like the people living in Sodom or Gomorrah? A sinner wasting his life? God didn't wipe them out without reason!