Would seeing the sea part make you believe in God?

[Jack the Bodiless]

I can see what the next response will be.

Mammals did not evolve from modern reptiles. They did, however, evolve from the same "reptilian" ancestors as modern reptiles (and birds) did.

[Urban Ranger]

By the way, why do we still bother?

[Lemmy]

because we have nothing better to do

[loinburger]

If we just ignored the religious trollers then they might go away, but they might start a circle jerk instead. I'd rather avoid the latter possibility.

[Robert]

Because you still want to win this debate which would not be an issue if you would have feel convinient with the answers you found so far.

And for me, it's because I want to spread the good news. I have a gospel to tell, I believe something bad will happen to you guys if you won't accept Jesus to be punished for your sins.

In fact I continue because I care about you guys.
Why do you guys continue?

Show me some pictures of these fossils. I'm curious.

[Lemmy]

Show me some pictures of these fossils. I'm curious.

sheesh, go watch the Discovery Channel

[MOBIUS]

Hey Cyber,

You seem to pour scorn on the scientific theory of how the universe was created...

Well what about God, how was he created?

What did he do, pull himself from out of his own arse!!?

You are seriously out of your depth my Hindu friend...

The 'King' has already shot himself in the foot - Christianity isn't even the largest religion in the World, what arrogance to assume that the followers of Christianity are 'right' and all the rest of the World's religions are wrong...

I bet there are plenty of opposite numbers in Islam that think exactly the same thing about Christianity as you do about Islam...

You are an extremist nutcase (merely a logical conclusion drawn from your posts), can I call you CivNation?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by CyberShy
Because you still want to win this debate which would not be an issue if you would have feel convinient with the answers you found so far.

I think loin provided a good answer.

Not that we haven't won the debate. For that matter, there was never one to begin with.

At any rate, you seem to have ignored my question. How does Creationism explain transitional fossils?

You also seem to be unable to grasp the possibility that many Christians also embrace evolution.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by CyberShy
And for me, it's because I want to spread the good news. I have a gospel to tell, I believe something bad will happen to you guys if you won't accept Jesus to be punished for your sins.

99 times out of 100, somebody who is trying to save my soul doesn't really care at all about me--they're just trying to earn a carrot for their "good works." Excuse us if we make it difficult for you to earn your commission.

[Robert]

MOBIUS, go read the readme file of the new patch. Those kinds of arguments are really pathatic. Now go and make personal insults to your relatives.

For the mature atheists:
Some quotes on the fossil record:

"...innumerable transitional forms must have existed but why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? ...why is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain, and this perhaps is the greatest objection which can be urged against my theory". Origin of the Species.

David M. Raup, U. Chicago; Ch. F. Mus. of N. H., "The evidence we find in the geologic record is not nearly as compatible with darwinian natural selection as we would like it to be. Darwin was completely aware of this. He was embarrassed by the fossil record because it didn't look the way he predicted it would.... Well, we are now about 120 years after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the situation hasn't changed much. ....ironically, we have even fewer examples of evolutionary transition than we had in Darwin's time. By this I mean that some of the classic cases of darwinian change in the fossil record, such as the evolution of the horse in North America, have had to be discarded or modified as the result of more detailed information." F.M.O.N.H.B., Vol.50, p.35

Niles Eldridge, Amer. Mus. N. H., "He [Darwin] prophesied that future generations of paleontologists would fill in these gaps by diligent search.... One hundred and twenty years of paleontological research later, it has become abundantly clear that the fossil record will not confirm this part of Darwin's predictions. Nor is the problem a miserably poor record. The fossil record simply shows that this prediction was wrong." The Myths of Human Evolution, p.45-46

sheesh, go watch the Discovery Channel

I'm sorry, I forgot that I should behave as arrogant as you guys to keep this debate going.
I'll rephrase:

The existance of these fossils is a fake and you guys can't prove it by showing me a picture here.

uh, yeah...... I prefer the normal way, can you show me pictures of the fossils, please? thanks! (you can answer as arrogant as you want of course, since it would make you look silly if you would take your debate partner serious )

Some more quotes from scientists on fossils:

PALEONTOLOGY DOES NOT PROVE EVOLUTION, D.B. Kitts, U.of OK, "The claim is made that paleontology provides a direct way to get at the major events of organic history and that, furthermore, it provides a means of testing evolutionary theories. ...the paleontologist can provide knowledge that cannot be provided by biological principles alone. But he cannot provide us with evolution.", Evolution, Vol.28, p.466

DON'T USE THE FOSSILS, Mark Ridley, Oxford, "...a lot of people just do not know what evidence the theory of evolution stands upon. They think that the main evidence is the gradual descent of one species from another in the fossil record. ...In any case, no real evolutionist, whether gradualist or punctuationist, uses the fossil record as evidence in favour of the theory of evolution as opposed to special creation." New Scientist, June, 1981, p.831

FOSSILS INDICATE CREATION! E.J.H. Cornor, Cambridge "Much evidence can be adduced in favor of the Theory of Evolution from Biology, Biogeography, and Paleontology, but I still think that to the unprejudiced the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation." CONTEMPORARY BOTANICAL THOUGHT, p.61

I most like Ridley's quote in the New Scientist:
"In any case, no real evolutionist, whether gradualist or punctuationist, uses the fossil record as evidence in favour of the theory of evolution as opposed to special creation."

You guys are 'real evolutionists'?
In that case you should read the New Scientist more carefull from now on

Your 'priests' seem to advise you to not trow in the fossil record

CyberShy

[Lemmy]

You show me a picture of God and i'll convert to Christianity immediately

[Arrian]

Rasslin has GOT to be trolling. Nobody's THAT stupid. Well, maybe, but given 'poly's large pool of trolls, I tend to think this was one. Accordingly: 7/10, for number responses and amusement value.

-Arrian

[Robert]

You also seem to be unable to grasp the possibility that many Christians also embrace evolution.

I can't help that.
Like I can't help it that there are christian fundamentalists.

Though I don't really care about the first group, since I think they do not harm anybody. I wish I could do something about the 2nd group though.

I did reply to the fossil thing.

99 times out of 100, somebody who is trying to save my soul doesn't really care at all about me--they're just trying to earn a carrot for their "good works." Excuse us if we make it difficult for you to earn your commission.

There's no commission for me to earn.
It's more like you can't understand that people care about other people, imagine what christianity does to people if they start to care about other people.

[Robert]

You show me a picture of God and i'll convert to Christianity immediately

look into the mirror, you ARE a picture of God.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by CyberShy
It's more like you can't understand that people care about other people, imagine what christianity does to people if they start to care about other people.

On the contrary, you can't seem to understand that living a good life has nothing to do with believing or failing to believe in God. God provides a carrot-and-stick moral code, which ain't moral at all--taking the moral high ground with a carrot-and-stick morality is laughable and pathetic at the very least. That's what gets me about you people: the best reason you can come up with for why I should believe is (to paraphrase) because "I'll get a spanking if I don't."

look into the mirror, you ARE a picture of God.

I look nothing like Odin! For one thing, I've got two eyes, and Odin only has one.