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**Winston** · July 15, 2002, 01:54

Carl Lewis should get honourable mention. Dominant in dash and especially the long jump for a long time, copied Jesse Owens' four 1936 Olympic Golds in 1984, plus he was a clean athlete and a fair player who could serve as a role model for aspiring young athletes.

Other contestants: Pele (actually awarded Greatest Sportsman of the 20th Century, can't remember by whom), Paavo Nurmi (totally dominant in long distance running in his time) and Martina Navratilova (already mentioned).

**Alexander's Horse** · July 15, 2002, 02:12

All good choices there Winston

Carl Lewis was a wonderful athlete.

I wonder how Navratilova's record compares with others...

**Lung** · July 15, 2002, 02:13

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Stories of Bradman's sociopathic behaviour and misanthropy are legendary. You have been completely duped. He's about as admirable as Mussolini.

G....G.....GASP!!!

BEGONE, SATAN!! GO BACK TO THE FIRES OF HELL FROM WHENCE YE CAME!!!

**aaglo** · July 15, 2002, 02:25

There are several possibilities...

Paavo Nurmi (running)
Pele (football)
Sergey Bubka (pole-vault)
Carl Lewis (running)
Mark Spitz (swimming)
Nadja Comanescki (gymnastic)
.... the list is endless...

**The Pioneer** · July 15, 2002, 02:28

It's very difficult to narrow it down to one but I'd go to Nick Galis (most of you probably don't know him) because of the impact he had on the game of Basketball in Greece on and off the field.

**Alexander's Horse** · July 15, 2002, 02:45

Originally posted by Lung

G....G.....GASP!!!

BEGONE, SATAN!! GO BACK TO THE FIRES OF HELL FROM WHENCE YE CAME!!!

Are you seriously telling me you haven't heard any negative Bradman stories?

Here's one for you. A film maker did a positively worshipful telemovie on the Don's life. Bradman cooperated with the production. In one scene Bradman is shown with a glass of beer in his hand. Bradman was furious and never spoke to the filmmaker again - he just sent him a rude letter, which he often did when people offended him in the slightest way.

That's your heroe for you

**Tingkai** · July 15, 2002, 02:49

Wayne Gretzky. Very few people have dominated a sport like he did. He was also a great sportsman and a class act.

EDIT: These are the NHL records that Gretzky holds;

Goals: 894 (second place: Gordie Howe 801)
Assists: 1,961 (second place Howe 1,049)
Points: 2,855 (second place Howe: 1,850)
Goals, incl. Playoffs: 1,016 (second place Howe: 869)
Assists, incl. Playoffs: 2,221 (second place Paul Coffey: 1226)
Points, incl. Playoffs: 3,237 (second place Howe:2010)
Most 100-point seasons 15 (Second place: Mario Lemieux with 10)
Consecutive 100-point seasons 13
Goals, single season 92
Assists, single season 163
Points, single season 215
Goals in season’s first 50 games 61
Fastest 50 goals from start of season 39 Games
Consecutive 60-goal seasons 4
Most 40-goal seasons: 12
Consecutive 40-goal seasons: 12
Most 50-goal seasons
(tied with Mike Bossy) 9
Most 60-goal seasons
(tied with Mike Bossy) 5
Hat tricks: 50
Assists per game: 1.32
Points per game: 1.93
Goals by a center: 894
Assists by a center: 1,961
Points by a center: 2,855
Overtime assists: 15
Hat tricks, single season 10
Goals per game, single season 1.18
Assists per game, single season 2.04
Points per game, single season 2.77
Goals, incl. playoffs, single season 100
Assists, incl. playoffs, single season 174
Points, incl. playoffs, single season 255
Goals by a center, single season 92
Assists by a center, single season 163
Points by a center, single season 215
Consecutive point-scoring streak 51 Games
Consecutive assist-scoring streak 23 Games
Assists, single game (tied with Billy Taylor) 7
Assists, road game (tied with Billy Taylor) 7
Assists by rookie, single game 7
Goals, one period (tied with nine others) 4
Goals, playoffs, 122
Assists, playoffs, 260
Points, playoffs, 382
Game-winners, playoffs, 22
Hat tricks, playoffs, 8
Assists, playoffs, one year 31
Points, playoffs, one year 47
Short-handed goals, playoffs, one year (tied with four others) 3
Assists, playoffs, one series (tied with Rick Middleton) 14
Assists, Stanley Cup Finals 10
Points, Stanley Cup Finals 13
Assists, playoffs, one game (tied with Mikko Leinonen) 6
Short-handed goals, playoffs, one game (tied with six others) 2
Points, Playoffs, one period (tied with 10 others) 4
Goals, All-Star Game, 13 1
Assists, All-Star Game, (tied with four others) 12
Points, All-Star Game, 25
Goals, All-Star Game, one game (tied with three others) 4
Goals, All-Star Game, one period 4
Points, All-Star Game, one period 4

**Zylka** · July 15, 2002, 03:01

The man

Giving the top spot of the podium to rubino after controversial team orders

Doing what he does best. Hum the champagne anthem with me!!!

Da da da la la la da da da da la la la da da da da delelele

**Lung** · July 15, 2002, 03:01

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse

Are you seriously telling me you haven't heard any negative Bradman stories?

Here's one for you. A film maker did a positively worshipful telemovie on the Don's life. Bradman cooperated with the production. In one scene Bradman is shown with a glass of beer in his hand. Bradman was furious and never spoke to the filmmaker again - he just sent him a rude letter, which he often did when people offended him in the slightest way.

That's your heroe for you

Cursed swine! THAT'S IT! DELETE HIM FROM THE RECORD BOOKS!!

Why can't he be infallible like all the other sporting greats?

**Winston** · July 15, 2002, 03:16

Michael Schumacher is not a good sportsman. In fact, he's one of the worst sportsmen there is.

Granted, he's good at his sport, but that alone doesn't make him a contestant for greatest sportsman. He'd have to be a little less of a cheat and double crossing bastard to have that label attached.

Not a role model for anybody.

**Alexander's Horse** · July 15, 2002, 03:23

Originally posted by Winston
Michael Schumacher is not a good sportsman. In fact, he's one of the worst sportsmen there is.

Granted, he's good at his sport, but that alone doesn't make him a contestant for greatest sportsman. He'd have to be a little less of a cheat and double crossing bastard to have that label attached.

Not a role model for anybody.

You and I are agreeing a lot today

Perhaps the worst Schumacher incident was when he deliberately crashed into another driver to stop him winning the World Drivers Championship in the last race of the season. What an arsehole.

**Zylka** · July 15, 2002, 03:32

I 100% agree. The guy is a total *******, and he got what he deserved back in 97 when trying to punt my man Jaques off the track in that finale.

But guys.... the man learned to go-kart in the rain flawlessly when he was three years old. He is a bloody good (although not honorable) sportsman.

Then again... if I ever find out Ferrari did use traction control back when it was illegal (which they very well could of), the bastard loses all credibility.

to cheaters

**Sloth** · July 15, 2002, 03:41

I agree on Gretsky.
M.J. too should be mentioned.
In a (rare) patriotic moment I'd mention also Lorenzo Bernardi, best volley player of the century.

**aaglo** · July 15, 2002, 03:45

M.J??? Michael Jackson an athlete ???

**Zylka** · July 15, 2002, 03:55

Or how about Paul Oakenfold, known for railing coke off of the decks?

He's an athlete... if spinning records was a sport... no really

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