Why you can't satisfy ANY demands by terrorists before ridding of every one of them

[Sirotnikov]

And this time - we will use our best Mus... Deist friend - Imran.


Now, as you may have learnt on other threads, Imran said that he supports terrorism and sees it as a legitimate way of action.

When asked why, he replied "because it gets things done. it makes people listen".


What do we wittness here?

Imran has seen that when the terrorists mass murder people, westerners tend to give them what they want.

Guess what? Imran is not alone!!

Millions of people around the world are wittnessing events right now. What do they see?

They see westerners saying : "ouch, that hurt. we better see what they want and make sure we do it. i mean, if they use terror, they must feel bad about it".

Thus, Imran, and 100,000,000s people, learnt that if you bully the west around, targetting innocent civilians, it will "get things done".

Thus, 100,000,000s of people, now see terrorism as a quick and easy way of getting results.


Now sure, we love Imran and we trust him. I know that he would only use terrorism as a last case scenario and only over something very important.

However, as it may happen - 100s of millions of people are a lot of people. Among them, at least some are LOONEY.

Those looney people will use terror. And the west will comply. However, that may not be enough. They will not stop demands. On the contrary - they will increase them.

Remember Mr. Adolf?

You have him Czechoslovakia, and he wanted the whole of Europe, didn't he?

Well now, western journalists, calling for fulfilling the terrorists demands, even before they are dealt with, are giving the next generation of Hitlers, Saddams, Humeinis, bin-Ladens, Stalins a hope for a bright future profit, and a fast way to achieve it.

Way to go

[Chris 62]

Your wasting your time Siro, nobody is listening.

[Faboba]

Does anyone know anything tasteless I could put in a cheese sandwich to stop the cheese falling out? I'd use butter but that totally changes the taste.

I suppose I could just grate it rather than using slices....

Any ideas?

[Boris Godunov]

When extremism meets extremism, coming through the rye...

Bad form, Siro. You could have just posted this in the other thread rather than setting up a thread and starting out with an attack on Imran. Very rude.

[General Ludd]

You don't seriously think that anyone on earth is unfamiliar with the concept of threats and blackmail, do you? It's a part of human nature.

Some people will always bully others into geting what they want, and some people will always stubornlingly resist, thinking that they are acomplishing something by not giving in.

[Asher]

Why you can't satisfy ANY demands by terrorists before ridding of every one of them

Gee, you like to flipflop around on the issues.

First you support Israel, then you oppose it....

[The Pioneer]

Problem with the west is that they live in ways in which eliminating those bastards without due process is not accepted and even more important the west has grown in a peaceful post WWII and is not ready to go to war, especially with a ghost as an enemy. Although I must say that it's very sick to believe that terrorism is right or gets things done. There is no way that it will survive in the long run. They all rise and fall since the organisations are mostly centered around a core of very few people who will eventually grow old. Exception: Castro, he will probably live forever (it's the cigars I guess, remember George Burns). But it's true they do frighten us and in that sense yes they are succesful but I do not think that their demands are met or will ever be met. Name me one terrorist organisation that has achieved anything significant that has stood the test of time.

Note: There is a fundamental difference btwn Stalin, Hussein, Castro, Hitler and theOBLs. We knew where to find the former but the latter are ghosts that will probably never be found.

[Chris 62]

I'm intregued by the phrase "It gets things done".

Ireland used terror for decades, nothing was done till they agreed to stop.

Terror is used continuily in Israel by Palestinains, and it's driving the only people that need convincing (Israel) further and further from getting a state.

Terror was used against the US to remove America from the Middle east and end support of Israel, yet both have incresed.

Terror was used by the NLF in Vietnam, it failed so badly that regular forces needed to be committed to avoid complete colaspe (1967), and it still took conventional forces for victory, in 1975.
In fact, mindless terrorism during the Tet offensive actually gave a boost to the South Vietnamese government, something that should have been impossible considering said "government" was a joke.

Terror was used against britain in Malaya from 1948-60, and failed completely.
In fact, it's virtually the only clear win over communism in the entire cold war era.

http://ca.essortment.com/malayanemergenc_rwnt.htm

Seems terror is having the opposite effect of what the terrorists intend, unless your referring to the unaffected fringe, the so-called court of public opinion, which, as you say, is ready to cut any deal to stay alive.

[Ecthy]

The point is not satisfying terrorists but those masses (muslim mainstream, remember) that terrorists recruit from. that's the only long term solution.

[Arab Strap]

Originally posted by Faboba
Does anyone know anything tasteless I could put in a cheese sandwich to stop the cheese falling out? I'd use butter but that totally changes the taste.

I suppose I could just grate it rather than using slices....

Any ideas?

A toastie maker.

[VetLegion]

I'm intregued by the phrase "It gets things done"

yes, it gets things done. It is a cowardly strategy, but if employed correctly it can be effectiv ein the way the organizers want it

just look at FARC for example, first terrorist organization ever that government made an agreement with to leave them alone and give them practicly a part of country

now they are taking it back, but still, terrorism worked there. and there is no reason it is an inefficient by default.

[Faboba]

Good call.....

Must buy one before I die.

[Chris 62]

Yes, I suppose there are exceptions to everything.

Still, it seems it's record as a tactic is less then stellar.

[chequita guevara]

Let's see.

Saudi Arabia is an horrible, evil, nasty country. It oppresses its women in the most hobbile fashion. It uses torture and heinous forms of corporal punishment. It practices de facto slavery. It is massively corrupt. The people of Saudi Arabia hate the government and want to be rid of it. Rightfully so. The US, for businesses reasons, prefers that the Saudis remain in power, and provide intelligence to their government to get their critics. The US sells them weapons and trains their soldiers. The US bases troops on their soil, which the largely fundimentalist people regard as a desecreation of holy ground.

A small group of fanatics decide to start taking on both the government of Saudi Arabia and those who support it. Even thought the people of Saudi Arabia have legitimate greivences, by Siro and Chris's logic, we must not give in, because we will be giving in to the terrorists, who are only one tiny group out of all the others who share these concerns.

They say instead we should stick to our guns. Now, history shows that when people have no other way to get their greivences aired, some of them will resort to violence. So by sticking to our guns, we create the grounds for new terrorists to grow, even while we do something most of us don't support. So ever more people die, because we can't stop doing something we know is wrong, because it would be giving in to terrorism.

And it goes on forever and forever.

Frankly, I don't want to be killed for something I am oppsed to. I don't want to die because we support an evil government (many evil governments, actually). I don't want to die because Israel won't stop using collective punishment and oppressing its natives. I don't want to die for any reason, actually, but especially not for something I don't support.

If that makes me an appeaser, too bad. My princples aren't being violated in giving in. They're being violated by "our" side. We aren't supporting our principles. By doing the exact opposite of what the terrorists demand, we are still supporting agression, oppression, and evil.



BTW, Chris it was the IRAs violence that brought Britain to the negotiation table. Britain didn't give a damn about the Catholics for centuries, even up to the '90s unless violence was used. Northern Ireland shows the success of terrorism, not the failure of it. What's really sad is that 3,000 people had to die for Britain to do something it should have done from the begining.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Of course it gets thing done. Look at Ireland again. One of the reasons they got their own state in the first place was because of terrorism. The same thing with Israel. Terrorism in a lot of cases has convinced the occupying power that it just isn't worth the time and they thus decide to leave. Hell, in recent history, it happened in Lebanon! Don't sit there and tell me it doesn't work.

Terrorists don't come out of no where. The society at large must feel a great pain to have so many of them join up with terrorist organizations.

Siro: You have a choice. Either make amends and give in to the demands of the population of the nation those terrorists come from, or you could declare outright genocidal war, where a vast majority of your people die as well. Your choice, but I know I'd rather avoid a massive war where both sides are decimated.