US school of assassins - US as safe heaven for dictators and torturers

[Jac de Molay]

Be more specific, genius. Outline in detail, in this or another thread, how socialism will solve the specific issues that Saint M just outlined in his last post.

You're another one who's a backseat driver. Put some of that brain power to work and lead us to the promised land, O Almighty One.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


That's not what you said before!

Socialism and market economy isn´t incompatible...

[Zoid]

Originally posted by DetroitDave
Be more specific, genius. Outline in detail, in this or another thread, how socialism will solve the specific issues that Saint M just outlined in his last post.

You're another one who's a backseat driver. Put some of that brain power to work and lead us to the promised land, O Almighty One.

Firstly, the benefits of socialism has been discussed extensively in numerous posts & threads, it´s not my fault you haven´t been paying attention. Do a search if you´re really that interested

Secondly, I have no desire to lead. I only wish to point in the right direction. In the words of Albert Camus "Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; don't walk behind me, I may not lead; walk beside me, and just be my friend."

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Sava

As for nuclear weapons... should we have not used them and let casualty totals for invading Japan run up to well over 3 -4 million military and civilians combined? It's funny. People bash the US for using nukes, but since 1945, the death rate as percentage of population took a steep decline.

Bull****! Japan was no threat to anybody in 1945. In fact Japan wanted to surrender in the spring of 1945. Something that the US refused. Coz you can´t nuke a country you just signed a peace treaty with

'In June and July 1945, Joint Chiefs of Staff committees predicted that between 20,000 and 46,000 Americans would die in the one or two invasions for which they had drawn contingency plans. While still in office, President Truman usually placed the number at about a quarter of a million, but by 1955 had doubled it to half a million. Winston Churchill said the attacks had spared well over 1.2 million Allies. (Barton Bernstein, "The Myth of Lives Saved by A-bombs," Los Angeles Times, July 28, 1985, IV, p.1; Barton Bernstein, "Stimson, Conant, and Their Allies Explain the Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb," Diplomatic History, Winter 1993, p.48.)'

And now you seem to have upped these numbers to 3-4 million. Jeez...

Source

THe US never set up death camps...

Not in Europe at least... Forgot about the indians, have we?

[Sava]

1.2 million allies.... 3-4 million total casualties... I watched this on a history channel special...

I remember the Indians, they didn't set up death camps for them. Although what they did to them was wrong, you're stretching as it happened 150 years ago.

[Lemmy]

highest STD rate in the western world

...The US does not have the highest STD rate in the world, not even close. Have you forgotten about that little continent called Africa?....

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Sava
1.2 million allies.... 3-4 million total casualties... I watched this on a history channel special...

And you choose to belive History Channel I see. Nice...

I remember the Indians, they didn't set up death camps for them. Although what they did to them was wrong, you're stretching as it happened 150 years ago.

Death camps or not, the outcome was pretty much the same. Genocide. The fact that it happened 150 years ago to the indians and still happen to a lot of people today is just an confirmation of the ever ongoing American state terrorism.

[Sava]

You obviously don't live in America. America has change from 10 years ago... it isn't as static as Europe, my friend. The history channel is a good source, BTW... much better than some aol member site ...

Lemmy, he went back and edited it.

[Lemmy]

uhm, in what way is Europe static?
of all the western countries, Europe has gone through the biggest changes, rebuilding an economy after a devastating war, increasing levels of cooporation in the EU, a single currency.

[faded glory]

SoA was a neccessary evil during the Cold war. But the Cold war is over, and it should go away. Yes its true! We couldnt afford communists taking over South America. As we saw with Cuba, we could end up with nukes pointed at us in our backyard. So we suppressed the varouis leftist movements. So what.



Kamrat your full of ****. The Japs would of never given up. The attitude of the Jap soldier was to never surrender unless there emperor said. Surrender was a grave dishonour punishable in the afterlife. This was evident in the fact that only 10,000 Japanese prisoners were taken in ww2. Most jumped off cliffs or made suicidal charges. The Emperor would of never surrendured in 1945 without those A-bombs.

[Saint Marcus]

SM your trolling is starting to border on absolute lunacy. The US does not have the highest STD rate in the world, not even close. Have you forgotten about that little continent called Africa? And China, Russia, and Eastern Europe all have higher rates of STD's than the US.

Only an American would think Africa, China, Russia and Eastern Europe are part of the Western World.

Keep it up Sava, soon you'll get on the same level as my good friend giani.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by faded glory

Kamrat your full of ****. The Japs would of never given up. The attitude of the Jap soldier was to never surrender unless there emperor said. Surrender was a grave dishonour punishable in the afterlife. This was evident in the fact that only 10,000 Japanese prisoners were taken in ww2. Most jumped off cliffs or made suicidal charges. The Emperor would of never surrendured in 1945 without those A-bombs.

You´re brainwashed, my friend... The german ambassador wrote this to Berlin on May 5 1945

Since the situation is clearly recognized to be hopeless, large sections of the Japanese armed forces would not regard with disfavor an American request for capitulation even if the terms were hard.

Dwight Eisenhower writes in his White House memoirs:

Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary. ... I thought our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of aweapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of "face". The secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude, almost angrily refuting the reasons I gave for my quick conclusions

It was known the Japanese had instructed their ambassador in Moscow to work on peace negotiations with the Allies. ( The japanese code had been broken by the americans by this time) Japanese leaders had begun talking of surrender a year before this, and the Emperor himself had begun to suggest, in June 1945, that alternatives to fighting to the end be considered.

On July 13, Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo wired his ambassador in Moscow: "Unconditional surrender is the only obstacle to peace."

Why then did the US insist on these terms? (Compare this with the ultimatum given to Milosevic at Rambouillet. ) Was it because the Russians had secretly agreed (they were officially not at war with Japan) they would come into the war ninety days after the end of the European war? In his diary Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal, described Secretary of State James F. Byrnes as "most anxious to get the Japanese affair over with before the Russians got in."

Why did the US bomb Nagasaki after they´ve bombed Hiroshima? Was it because this was a plutonium bomb whereas the Hiroshima bomb was a uranium bomb? Were the dead and irradiated of Nagasaki victims of a scientific experiment? (Mengele eat your heart out! )

Not even the fact that there were an allied POW camp 1 mile north of Nagasaki did stop the War Departments plans. They were after all, in the greater scheme of things, expendable.

[Panag]

hi ,

, so what about rentina , ....

its the same type of school

Paiktis , some of the info is not correct , your source is not good , ...

have a nice night