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[Ecthy]

Pfingsten is Whitsun I think, Männertach is Ascension

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Poll: What is crappier, Turks or Balkan folks?

Germans because of nazism. (self evident fact).


was May 29th 1453 a Tuesday?


(this is very important)

[Bereta_Eder]

and Roland, how good is your source?

Are you sure it was not the 13th?

(how can we be sure of the exact date of a "fall" of such a big city BTW)

[Ecthy]

Istanbul was very small and poor at that time. It only came to a 2nd richness in Turkish culture.

[Bereta_Eder]

hmm like germany losing half its territories.

it didnt really get as rich as it was in the easter roman empire though. (which was the envy of Rome for a long time)

[Ecthy]

I just love threads with many empty posts.

[Boris Godunov]

C-Town...there is a grocery store chain here in NYC called C-Town, hehehe. Oh the mental imagery...

"I need a clean up in ailse 7. The Turks have sacked the frozen foods section..."

[Bereta_Eder]

Constantinople is not so hard to spell.

Konstantinoupolis.

Or simply Polis.

(the city of constantine)

[Roland]

Constantinople had about 50.000 or so people when the Turks conquered it. It went fairly quickly after the Turks made a breakthorugh - they had numeric superiority of 10:1-20:1.

Why is the date so important ?

[Boris Godunov]

Well, Roland, it did come as a decided shock to the rest of Europe and helped formulate a European coalition against the Turks that would culminate with the turning back of the seige at Vienna and then the gradual diminution of Turk holdings in the Balkans. Some see it as the turning point whereby Europe began its ascendancy, as it jolted them so much.

[Bereta_Eder]

Roland,

it is important yes.

Because I'm sure it fell on a Tuesday.

Greeks consider Tuesday the 13th the "bad day" instead of the rest of europe which i think considers Friday the 13th the "bad day".

Superstisiously speaking of course.

[Ecthy]

Boris... he knows thatm he's asking why paiktis deems the exact date so important.

[Roland]

I meant the exact day, not the event.

Btw, what european coalition ? Most of the time we fought the Turks, we fought the french too.

[Ecthy]

That's just American oversimplification

And most of the times you fought the French, we fought each other

[Roland]

I vaguely remember something about Constantinoples and the 13th.

Maybe the latin conquest in 1203 or 1204 ?