American position on the PA

[CyberGnu]

Please explain how "intended to kill occupying family" does not infer deliberately targeting children.

I read the entire thread. Would you care to answer my request?

read again.

Of course, it made me waste five minutes of my life looking it up... 28-06-2002 04:02

[CyberGnu]

Eli:

I read the entire thread. Dont forget the two sources I asked for.

So I'm assuming that the low reading comprehension level you mentioned referred to yourself?

[Eli]

Ask Siro. I've been asking for two hours.

You were asking him about certain terracts. I want to know if the terrorist was really under fire when he first entered the house and started killing everyone.

[CyberGnu]

We could apply the same logic to IDF soldiers. But since you will refuse to consider granting this excuse to anyone you deem to be unworthy, we won't.

Actually, we can apply this to an individual IDF soldier. Which is why I think we should out Sharon in front of the firing squad, not the IDF soldier in the front ranks.

Sharon is responsible for every single death in the ME conflict. Sharon, and the people who voted him to power.

[CyberGnu]

You were asking him about certain terracts. I want to know if the terrorist was really under fire when he first entered the house and started killing everyone.

How the hell would I know? As long as Siro won't give me a source for the incident, I don't even know if it happened.

and if you actually read what I posted, you'll see that I aksed siro if the shooter was under fire at the time. Jesus Christ, is the difference between a question and a statement really that complicated?

[CyberGnu]

Either way, I'm going to bed.

Please don't kill any more children tonight.

[GeneralTacticus]

Sharon is responsible for every single death in the ME conflict. Sharon, and the people who voted him to power.

Why not the people who actually do the killing? AFAIK, there is no punishment for PAlestinians who don't attack Israelis.

[Mr. President]

Please don't kill any more children tonight.

Oh, that's real nice. Very mature too, big man.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by CyberGnu




read again.

Of course, it made me waste five minutes of my life looking it up... 28-06-2002 04:02

There is no entry with that stamp. Please look it up again.

Or, better yet, type it out here.

[Sirotnikov]

Well, source them then? You are making the claim that palestinians deliberately target children. So far you've provided one example (which I'll accept because I remember readin about it, although if we want to be strict there should be a source on that one too. It's up to you if you want to, I don't require it on that one). One example doesn't prove anything.

Look, when something happens I post it here and usually provide sources.

You were burrying your head into the sand, not following the events, and then you have enough spite to come here and argue about things you don't even care following in the news.

Intriguingly... The majority of JP writers are palestinans or IDF soldiers?

Nope.
They are reporters which

1) go to the field to see what palestinians and IDF are doing
2) talk to palestinians, soldiers, terrorists

And I'd like the question of adulthood resolved.

If a 15 year old is considered adult, and these teens were 15+, then the points are moot.

Hmm... I would expect international law to be the proper authority on this.

You mean, if I say something like, that according to Jewish tradition, people which are older than 13 are adults, it suddenly becomes legitimate to target them in a war?

I can't tell a 16 year odl from a 18 year old...

I doubt you can't tell a bunch of averagely 15 y/o kids, from another bunch of averagely 25 y/o people.

[Eli]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk


There is no entry with that stamp. Please look it up again.

Or, better yet, type it out here.

Time differences.

He is talking about :

Entering the house: well, one could assume that not only kids live in the house, don't you think? In fact, one could even assume that there is a larger propability of there being adults in the house than there being children. So the attack was aimed at adults, and children were the victims. Victims of Sharons greed.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by CyberGnu

Find me the die welt retraction then.

Give me the date and i will search for the die welt article or it's retraction.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by CyberGnu

But he entered a room and saw a child and then killed it.

I don't see this as falling under the "killed child on accident" category underwhich it falls on the shoulders of the occupiers.

Wasn't he under fire when this happened? I'd say that a person under fire is not capable of acting 100% rationally.

No he wasn't under fire. Simply went between the rooms.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
This is bull and you know it.

Then explain to me again why has terror erupted in 1929?

[Arrian]

Wow, lots of posts since yesterday. I will respond to the one that was directed at me several pages ago.

Originally posted by CyberGnu

What then?

It's a simple question. You saw fit to insult me over it, I think I can demand an answer.

Please enlighten me.

No, because the US is not occupying Saudi-Arabia. Amazing how hard that concept seems to be to israeli apologizers. The US bombings in afganistan are more related the palestinian bombings in Israel than Israels occupation of palestine.

Regarding the children, yes I agree they are innocent. How should that influence the the resistance? Are you defending the practice of using children as human shields? It is up to the parents of the children to either end the occupation or to move away from Israel. The blood of every slain Israeli child is on Sharons hands, not Arafats.

First off, I already answered your question of "what is it you doubt?" My answer, if you had read my post, was "I doubt that the IDF intentionally kills civilians."

Second, I attempted to enlighten you. Clearly I failed. I will not try again (why I bothered in the first place is beyond me).

Third, please get it through your skull that I am not an "Israeli apologizer." I do not defend the occupation. I support the idea of Palestinian statehood. I object to Israeli policies as well as acts carried out by Hamas and the like. We happened, however, to be discussing the targetting of civilians, which I think is wrong.

Fourth and finally, the idea that by living in Israel parents are "using their children as human shields" is sick. Let's take the example of an Israeli who opposes the occupation. He/she votes against Likud, marches in protest, and writes to his/her representative in goverment. This person's child is a "human shield" because he/she will not move out of Israel? That's insane.

-Arrian