The IDF unveils : Merkava 4

[Saint Marcus]

No offense or anything Eli, but that tank doesn´t look the great... you want a good tank check out the Ariete C1 Italy manufactures... instead of getting parts from Germany you should get them from Italy.

Oh stop it giani. Everyone knows the Ram isn't up to par with the other main MBTs.

[Az]

Why would Italy need tanks anyway?

[faded glory]

"T-80s "

No T-80's. Although the Iraqi's employed M-84 Yugoslav built T-72's. Kind of like a T-72 on steroids.

[faded glory]

"Why would Italy need tanks anyway?"

Why does Fiji need an airforce? Who would want to conquer fiji?

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by faded glory
"T-80s "

No T-80's. Although the Iraqi's employed M-84 Yugoslav built T-72's. Kind of like a T-72 on steroids.

Well the Marines who fought the Republican Guard said they had a shoot out with T-80 at the Kuwaitie Air Field.

[faded glory]

well i dont think a lone t-80 would count. Say if 100 of them ran into 'red force' on its way to kuwait city from the east then yes. But one lone T-80 I dont think is much to consider.

It might be true. But then i remember the rumours of the Iraqi's burying an atomic bomb in the western desert so as to invite a flanking manuever.

[markusf]

Originally posted by joseph1944
I agree.
The Abrams has never lost in a tank to tank battle, until they do, they will be the best. Has the Leclerc ever been in a tank to tank battle?

Well unless there have been more tank competitions, the german and russian tanks are still rated the best in the world.

[Panag]

Originally posted by joseph1944
I agree.
The Abrams has never lost in a tank to tank battle, until they do, they will be the best. Has the Leclerc ever been in a tank to tank battle?

hi ,

yes , on small scale , and FIBUA .

and it survived , not a single one was lost .

have a nice day

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by faded glory
well i dont think a lone t-80 would count. Say if 100 of them ran into 'red force' on its way to kuwait city from the east then yes. But one lone T-80 I dont think is much to consider.

It might be true. But then i remember the rumours of the Iraqi's burying an atomic bomb in the western desert so as to invite a flanking manuever.

There was more than one. I hear the numbers back in 91 but don't remember them now.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by markusf

Well unless there have been more tank competitions, the german and russian tanks are still rated the best in the world.

How can they be rated the best when (Russian) they lost each and every tank battle to the M1. To my knowledge the German tank has yet to do battle with another tank.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

yes , on small scale , and FIBUA .

and it survived , not a single one was lost .

have a nice day

Explain FIBUA and what type of tank did they fight?

[markusf]

Originally posted by joseph1944
How can they be rated the best when (Russian) they lost each and every tank battle to the M1. To my knowledge the German tank has yet to do battle with another tank.

Thats a great accomplishment, a M1 beat some WW2 tanks with half the range.

Tank competitions are held to determine the worlds best tanks, so that countries with billions to spend in defence can determine what tanks they want to buy.

[Panag]

Originally posted by joseph1944
Explain FIBUA and what type of tank did they fight?

hi ,

Fighting
In
Built
Up
Area

many types of fighting vehicles , t72 versions , t80 , t84 m55 and so on , ...

have a nice day

[VetLegion]

so is turkey buying merkava or not?

there were negotiations they would buy croatian (ex-yu) tanks... I bet they would cost half price of the merkavas. I dont know what kind of devilish deal israelis proposed to them

but I dont follow tanks closely so I dont know.

[Panag]

Originally posted by VetLegion
so is turkey buying merkava or not?

there were negotiations they would buy croatian (ex-yu) tanks... I bet they would cost half price of the merkavas. I dont know what kind of devilish deal israelis proposed to them

but I dont follow tanks closely so I dont know.

hi ,

as for now just upgrades on some m60 , ....

no need to go "devilish" , we beet the price by far with most nations , .......

have a nice day