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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891 -
I saw the trailer last Thursday. Wow. I was a little sour since I had had an idea like that a couple of years ago, but when I saw the name Philip K. Dick, I was quickly silenced.
Dick is definitely one of my favourite authors too, I've read several novels from him, but not the short story MR is based on. Do androids dream of electric sheep? was marvellous.
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[fanboy]Originally posted by red_jon
I hated AI.
Tsk. You people today just don't *understand* the deep message in AI that, by rights, should bo SOOOO obvious. Thirty years from now, people will look back on AI finally understand the eternal WISDOM that shines throughout the movie!
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"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire
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Well, I'm not a big movie-goer, and I sure never intended to see this movie beforehand, but so I have now. Mainly because my mom and I both had the day off and she wanted to do something, and we noticed the 4 star review by Ebert in our paper. So we watched it.
I was pretty darn impressed, myself. I have a few mild plot complaints, but they're there to make the thing work, so it's no big deal. On the whole, I'd say I liked it better than Blade Runner (although I'm not one of the people who thinks that Blade Runner was the greatest movie ever and some be-all and end-all). Certainly a 4 star movie.All syllogisms have three parts.
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I dunno, I can't say it really grabbed me that much from the trailer, but I suppose I will go and see it if I don't have anything better to do and people are enjoying it...Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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Well, based on the first part of your criteria, I imagine you'll be seeing it today, then?
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I don't know, I think the game conveyed the message more effectively - the replicants in the film were too freaky and homicidal for them to be percieved as normal, persecuted people - in the game they only killed out of neccessity, in the film they kill for no good reason.Originally posted by SnowFire
I was pretty darn impressed, myself. I have a few mild plot complaints, but they're there to make the thing work, so it's no big deal. On the whole, I'd say I liked it better than Blade Runner (although I'm not one of the people who thinks that Blade Runner was the greatest movie ever and some be-all and end-all). Certainly a 4 star movie.Comment
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Hmm... I wouldn't recommend people read that negative review linked, it's massivly spoilerific for starters, and secondly, I think it misses the point in a few areas. Like some plot holes he was so proud to discover actually are covered if you think about them just a wee bit more (especially his crime of passion vs. predmediated one, but I don't want to spoil the movie myself!).
My complaints are more along the lines of... well, not really a spoiler, but still select for yourselves if you want to see.
For a world that is still so "good" in terms of what America does well, it seems odd that it falls apart so completely for pre-crime. I mean, stopping murders before they happen is a good thing, but immediate lockup in stasis? No trial?!? No lawsuits?! I mean, sure, it would make for a vastly different movie if Cruise decided not to run and stick it out and sue pre-crime, but come on. Besides, I don't care if the precrime is murder, these things are worse than our worst solitary confinement jails where at least you can move, read books, etc. Considering the general enlightenment, why such draconian punishments? I mean, sure, the ideal for precrime would be just stop the person and if pre-mediated, see if a standard case for attempted murder can be pulled together, and if a crime of passion, just let 'em calm down and no nned for any jail time at all. But the stasis things are just really extreme.Last edited by SnowFire; June 21, 2002, 18:51.All syllogisms have three parts.
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On some colour schemes SnowFire, that is incredibly easy to read
Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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That would be because red jon posted his completely incomprehensible statement before I got it in- I thought I would be in a white screen, and because of the extra post am now in a far more annoying grey post area.All syllogisms have three parts.
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I can still read it, albeit not as comfortably
Speaking of Erith:
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I'll try and speak in vague terms SnowFire
I see your point though, the impetus of such a society should be reform, and asking why the person would commit such an act, not punishing them for something they haven't done...Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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Snowfire: I might add that this is not addressed in the short story either. It was addressed merely from the bureaucratic struggle angle (one department fighting another). Further, like many **** short stories, this is a post-near appocalyptic war society, so the erosion of personal liberties is just part of the fabric, and need not be addressed. It might seem like a cop out (
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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DanS: Hmm. It'd be interesting to try and read the |)ick short story (Ming: This is justifiable, right?). Was it entitled "Minority Report" as well? If it was, there pretty much goes my chances of finding it online... every search will turn up movie stuff. Oh well, there's a public library nearby.
Anyway, the world of MR in the movie is actually quite nifty. Not quite Star Trek level of silly happiness, but a pretty good version of the future. So that's why I wondered about the disconnect between the world and the precrime program at the beginning of the movie.
And PH, generally it's pretty obvious why they commit the act, considering the kind of evidence they get. It's just that for quite a lot of crimes, there really wouldn't be any need for punishment at all, just a calming down period and a reminder that the police will be keeping a very close eye on them over the next few days.
There are some more specific things I could say concerning the last 1/10 or so of the movie, but again, they need to be there to make the plot move, so I forgive 'em.All syllogisms have three parts.
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A bit off topic, but I think that The Man In The High Castle would make an excellent movie.
Actually, can't think of too many that wouldn't....though they really massacred Screamers....what a piece of tripe that was...
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