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    L O N D O N, June 16 — Left-leaning governments across Europe are being kicked out by voters worried about ailing economies, crime, illegal migrants and a fear that traditional policies of state control don't work.

    Europeans are turning to conservative, and even far-right parties, for tough economic reforms and law-and-order policies. Many see the left as out of step with ordinary people.

    Left-of-center governments have fallen in Italy, Norway, Denmark and the Netherlands. France's Socialists lost power in Sunday's parliamentary elections, according to exit polls, while Germany's once popular Social Democratic government is the underdog in September's elections.

    In the greatest shock, Prime Minister Lionel Jospin of the Socialist Party was knocked out of France's presidential elections this spring and resigned. Left-wing voters found themselves having to vote for conservative incumbent Jacques Chirac to ensure the defeat of far-right candidate Jean Marie Le Pen in the second round.

    It is a far cry from the 1990s, when the left swept to office across Europe and ecstatic supporters talked of decades in power. The left believed it had the answers for post-Cold War Europe in a globalized economy - a blend of capitalism and traditional left-wing social policies to protect workers and fund generous welfare programs.

    There was also a strong belief that the left would speed up integration of the European Union, turning it into a 15-nation power to rival, even eclipse, the United States.

    Reality proved to be very different.

    Most of the governments were coalitions of left and centrist parties, constantly weakened by internal disagreements that often hampered efforts to cut chronic unemployment and make their economies more competitive in the global market. Some governments had to curb welfare programs or, when faced with powerful lobbies such as trade unions, to drop needed reforms to fix ailing economies.

    "Today, the main issue in Europe is implementing reforms. Center-left leaders know, but sometimes they have a coalition behind them that doesn't leave them room to do it," said Sergio Romano, an Italian analyst.

    The left has been hit by a pervasive sense among voters that governments are more a problem than a solution. Some politicians say voters blame whatever government is in power and that whoever replaces the left will be booted out after a term or two in what is a revolving-door system.

    But perhaps more than any other factor, the left has failed to tackle key law-and-order issues worrying many voters, especially illegal immigration and crime. Rightly or wrong, many voters link the two and feel threatened in their own homes.

    A growing number of Europeans are worried or feel threatened by the influx of hundreds of thousands of newcomers, legal and illegal, from the Middle East, Asia and Africa. Even in traditionally tolerant nations like the Netherlands and Denmark, populist outsider parties have made strong gains by capitalizing on fear of large ethnic minorities that show little sign of integrating.

    Peter Mandelson, a former British minister, said the left lost touch with middle-of-the-road voters that having long preached racial tolerance and welcomed immigrants, it has trouble even discussing such issues meaningfully, let alone coming up with policies.

    "What recent electoral experiences show is that center-left parties lose where they are out of touch and refuse to face up to tough issues that are 'cultural' rather than ideological," he wrote in The Times newspaper.

    Voters think right-wing parties are better at coming up with tough policies to tackle illegal immigration and other problems, said Romano. "The right does a better job at giving public opinion the feeling that the problem is under control," he said.

    Some analysts say conservative parties also don't have solutions and that is why more and more voters are turning to anti-immigrant firebrands such as Le Pen in France, Joerg Haider in Austria, and Pym Fortuyn in Holland, whose party did well in parliamentary elections a month ago even though he was assassinated days earlier.

    The far right will grow stronger if voters continue to believe the mainstream parties don't care about them, analysts say.

    "Parties arise that can't be ideologically pinned down," said Dietmar Herz, an analyst at Erfurt University in Germany.

    "They take up issues loaded with resentment - immigration, asylum seekers, integration of foreigners and disgust with politics."




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    Well this might be something to argue about...
    Last edited by Lincoln; June 16, 2002, 15:58.

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    Yeah, we're turning into xenophobic protectionist bigots too.
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    • #3
      Well it has to be remembered that the American Democrats would be the equivalent of a right-wing party in Europe. European conservatives can be more liberal than the Democrat Party.

      Countries wing from left to right wing. Will left-wing parties become more powerful again? Undoubtebly so, as will right-wing parties. When the voters feel that the right has failed them(whether it's true or not) they'll return to the left.

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      • #4
        Re: Europeans Voters Turn Against Left

        Originally posted by Lincoln
        Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
        You might show the elementary decency of at least cutting that out when you violate it.
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        • #5
          Re: Re: Europeans Voters Turn Against Left

          Originally posted by moominparatrooper


          You might show the elementary decency of at least cutting that out when you violate it.
          Lincoln was not republishing the information for his own personal gain. He was just using it to start a discussion. Why not take him to court?

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          • #6
            I edited it out now so I wouldn't be put in a concentration camp.

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            • #7
              Even in traditionally tolerant nations like the Netherlands and Denmark, populist outsider parties have made strong gains by capitalizing on fear of large ethnic minorities that show little sign of integrating.

              I wrote a school project on the reasons for the Danish shift to the right at the parlamentary elections last November. The article made points on the populist scoring points on the issues of crime and immigration, but there are other noteworthy factors at play here. Of course, my focus was on Denmark but I'd think the same would apply for other countries. To summarize:

              1) Voters don't vote according to class or ideological/economical beliefs, but care more for human issues, so to speak - what happens to people and their behaviour towards each other. Obviously, this greatly increases focus on crime and immigration, and then, the failure of the social democrats to demonstrate the personal values behind governmental decisions eventually becomes obvious and fatal. For this reason, although Danish social democrats reaped many compliments for their handling of our country's economy, they couldn't use it for much on election day.

              2) The lack of a big, serious EU-sceptical center party. And in addition to that, a social democratic party cut in half where the leaders are strongly in favour, but the voters are much more sceptical, leading to a situation where they lose faith in their political elite, which are said to be out of touch with the people they represent. The right-wing leaders don't have this problem because they're not in the government, meaning that all of the focus is usually on one person, the leader, whose position in a more centralised party is virtually unthreatened due to the achieved results and because there hasn't been any other leaders.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
                Yeah, we're turning into xenophobic protectionist bigots too.
                Turning?
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                • #9
                  Re: Europeans Voters Turn Against Left

                  Originally posted by Lincoln


                  But perhaps more than any other factor, the left has failed to tackle key law-and-order issues worrying many voters, especially illegal immigration and crime. Rightly or wrong, many voters link the two and feel threatened in their own homes.

                  A growing number of Europeans are worried or feel threatened by the influx of hundreds of thousands of newcomers, legal and illegal, from the Middle East, Asia and Africa. Even in traditionally tolerant nations like the Netherlands and Denmark, populist outsider parties have made strong gains by capitalizing on fear of large ethnic minorities that show little sign of integrating.

                  Peter Mandelson, a former British minister, said the left lost touch with middle-of-the-road voters that having long preached racial tolerance and welcomed immigrants, it has trouble even discussing such issues meaningfully, let alone coming up with policies.
                  Riiiiight. So is preaching racial tolerance and welcoming immigration good or bad?

                  Moral of the story? We too have witless buffoons, and allow them to vote and have opinions. That's democracy.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Re: Europeans Voters Turn Against Left

                    Originally posted by moominparatrooper
                    You might show the elementary decency of at least cutting that out when you violate it.
                    Speaking as a journalist here, that copyright notice is intended to prevent people from profiting from the efforts of the Associated Press. Now if Lincoln were charging $1 per post in this topic, he'd be getting a call from a lawyer. As it is, he's only facilitating discussion, much as a teacher would do with her or his class. IOW, Lincoln is doing precisely what journalists like to see: promoting discussion w/o a profit motive, using our material as a launching pad.

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                    • #11
                      I'm amazed it's written by a supposed professional.

                      "Peter Mandelson, a former British minister, said the left lost touch with middle-of-the-road voters that having long preached racial tolerance and welcomed immigrants, it has trouble even discussing such issues meaningfully, let alone coming up with policies."

                      That's pure gibberish. I hope the writer can claim the excuse that English is not their first language.
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                      • #12
                        Spain and Italy have always been a bit chaotic with their politics. Spain had the Ultra-Right Wing nationalist leader Franco lead, and had the Civil Guard Tejero coup attempt in 1982. And Italy has had 50 or so governments since the end of WWII.

                        I think both countries are turning towards the right for the better....

                        I dunno about France or any other country. But as it seems they are turning right to with stunning results in elections.

                        BTW, I am not extremist right... I ditched that... I am Center Right... or an moderate Republican on American standards.

                        RJ: That sentence is what my teacher would criticize me for... a run-on sentence being unclear.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Giancarlo
                          Spain and Italy have always been a bit chaotic with their politics. Spain had the Ultra-Right Wing nationalist leader Franco lead, and had the Civil Guard Tejero coup attempt in 1982. And Italy has had 50 or so governments since the end of WWII.

                          I think both countries are turning towards the right for the better....
                          Turning to the right? I thought you just said Spain was led by 'Ultra-Right nationalist' Franco?

                          BTW, I am not extremist right... I ditched that... I am Center Right... or an moderate Republican on American standards.
                          And that isn't extremist right?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by red_jon


                            Turning to the right? I thought you just said Spain was led by 'Ultra-Right nationalist' Franco? [/b]
                            From 1936-1975 was the time frame it was ruled by Franco. Then it was ruled by a corrupt socialist I hate by the name of Gonzalez. He was kicked out by conservative leader Aznar.

                            [b]And that isn't extremist right?
                            No.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #15
                              That was a joke, Gian.

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