Maybe I'm Missing Something: Who is affirmitive action supposed to help?

[Imran Siddiqui]

My parents are from Pakistan. So I don't think I benefited at all from racial discrimination .

[KrazyHorse]

You're a token minority.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Woohoo! Token!

[Hueij]

Come on Imran... Care to tell what your father does for his profession and if it's something that's valued in the US?

[Imran Siddiqui]

He's an engineer... civil engineer at a sewage treatment plant.

... and an immigrant, who had to go to Wyoming to get certified in the US .

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by Hueij

Not sure what you are saying here...

I'm saying that when people have the power to exploit others through force (ie government) they say Yes, but complain when they are the exploited. And that is why no one should have the ability to exploit others through force.

Now, if there was a completely private university or business that did not receive any funding from federal or local governments, they can have a "people with big noses" quota for all I care.

But when govt funding is received, it means that somewhere legislators have a say-so, and those legislators can be influenced by the unrestrained power of the majority (in numbers, power, voice, etc.), and that power will inevitably say "Me!"

[Al B. Sure!]

Who said I'm attacking quotas? I'm just saying they don't help who they supposed to help...

[Hueij]

Okay, so he had skills that the US needed and so he didn't need AA. But what about non-white US citizens that have to compete with white ones? I seriously don't believe that color doesn't make a difference over there. And the fact that all the people on Apo that are complaining about AA are middle class white kids doesn't give me any reason to change my mind. Ask yourself, why aren't there any middle class black kids here?

[Al B. Sure!]

Hueij:

Stop worrying about **** in the USA, dutch boy

[Imran Siddiqui]

Why aren't their more Japanese kids here?

The one black guy that I knew on Poly was adamantly against AA (General BT).

The color of your skin doesn't make you any less competitive with someone of another color. That is just BS. Economic situtaions have a result, but people of color can get skills if they have the same economic power as whites.

[Hueij]

Originally posted by tandeetaylor


I'm saying that when people have the power to exploit others through force (ie government) they say Yes, but complain when they are the exploited. And that is why no one should have the ability to exploit others through force.

Now, if there was a completely private university or business that did not receive any funding from federal or local governments, they can have a "people with big noses" quota for all I care.

But when govt funding is received, it means that somewhere legislators have a say-so, and those legislators can be influenced by the unrestrained power of the majority (in numbers, power, voice, etc.), and that power will inevitably say "Me!"

Ah, I see where you are coming from. You are an American Libertarian, right? If so, i have to admit that over here in the Netherlands the idea of American Libertarianism (is that a word?) is totally alien. Over here we have this idea that we all live in a society, that we are all totally different, that we somehow have to live together and that we all have to give up something to make that happen. And that means our taxes are way up there because we don't want anyone to fall between the cracks... (I hope this makes any sense )

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Hueij:

Stop worrying about **** in the USA, dutch boy

I don't stop because the Apo boards are my favourite hang out... And next time, Dutch is written with a capital D, and don't call me me boy...

[Al B. Sure!]

The one black guy that I knew on Poly was adamantly against AA (General BT).

I would also like to add that in my real life experiences, though I rarely talk about things like racial quotas, etc. in real life, the few times something like this came up, nearly every black person i knew were against them. Now i'm not like some of you damn whiteys who are like "i even got black friends" cause you go to a school with a bussed-in genius black boy... I know a whole lot of black people and I dont think ive known one who truly supported Afirmitive action (although a few thought AA was not a gov't law but things like the united negro college fund)


thanks

[Al B. Sure!]

and Hueij... counter my opening point. How do racial quotas help poor blacks from falling into the 'cracks'?


thanks

[Hueij]

Don't know about quota's... But AA at least give them the chance to get even..

And change your f**king nick...