U.S. must take preemptive action, Bush says

[DanS]

"IYO, what has Bush done to protect your ass since the fall of the Taliban ? And what has he done to shove favours to his cronies ?"

I think Bush has been pretty upfront about about what he believes. For instance, his energy policy might benefit energy companies, but it's also what he believes. As part of an oil family, what he says re energy makes good sense. At worst, there's an appearance of a conflict of interest.

Re the terrorism, it's quite tough to know what he has done. It's also quite tough for you to discount his efforts, especially since these terrorist acts haven't been repeated (yet).

[Ned]

Roland, Clinton was a raping, molesting abuser of women. He was not "cool."

[moomin]

Ned, would you say JFK was a "raping. molesting abuser of women" as well?

[Ned]

No.

[Roland]

Ned: Where did I say Clinton was cool ? And I think you need to read up on Kennedy.

Dan:

"I think Bush has been pretty upfront about about what he believes. For instance, his energy policy might benefit energy companies, but it's also what he believes."

That is the funny thing about today's republicans. They've turned corruption into a believe system. Well, you can do what you want, just leave us alone with this, ok ?

"It's also quite tough for you to discount his efforts, especially since these terrorist acts haven't been repeated (yet)."

What efforts ?
Why was he, alsong with the Reps in Congress, so incredibly quick with extra pork, the "axis of evil" and the Iraq agenda ? Why are they so excruciatingly slow with addressing the feudal anarchy that is your government ? So far Bush's efforts have been to make up ever sillier versions of "giant struggle against evil".

[Ned]

Roland, I don't know all the details on JFK. But compare. No women came forward to complain that JFK raped them. No women came forward with complaints of molestation. No women came forward with sexual harrasment complaints.

Since I have never heard of any of the above about Kennedy, I assume they did not happen.

Is this true?

[moomin]

You discount for the fact that the US that JFK operated in was a very different country from today's America. It wasn't as if women were exactely encouraged to report sexual harassment back then, while today they're almost suspect unless they turn in another report every month or so... Everything I've ever seen about Kennedy seems to indicate BC was a monk compared to him.

Not that it matters - what the Pres does privately is a matter between him, his wife and the young lady concerned, really. I found the unbelievable ruckus 'bout Clintons sexual escapades totally disgusting, and I'm not now nor were I ever part of his fanclub.

I also don't think throwing epithets such as "rapist" or "molestor" around is going to benefit your argument. It's not as if the man was ever convicted, remember?

[Ned]

Alright, alleged rapist, alleged molester and settled-out-of-court sexual harrasser.

Is this better?

Still, being an unfaithful womanizer and being someone who abuses his position of power to rape, molest and harrass employees into sexual favors are two entirely different things. As far as I know, JFK was only a womanizer.

[chequita guevara]

Ned, I allege that you're a rapist and murderer. You are now an alleged rapist and murderer. See how silly that is?

[moomin]

Well, much as it pains me, I have to side with the che git over this... The way people can practically persecute others with lawsuits in America is ignoble, a side effect being that settlements out of court no longer indicate ziltch except that people now favour paying off rather than being dragged through the courts infinitely.

Let's be frank - there was an amazing number of people who hated the Clintons with a rage that left them foaming at the mouth just thinking about "Billary". Given the fact that Bill apparently swung his pecker like his was a VIP member of a gay club and a lot of highly motivated and rich clinton-bashers saw that as an opportunity to nail him by telling any girl who ever fell for Old Billy Boy that there was some serious money to be made sueing him, I'm almost surprised it wasn't more.

So, no, Ned, I don't really think it's rasonable to speak of Bill as a rapist or a molestor. The War on Terrorism, now nicely supplementing The War on Drugs, hasn't yet justified people to be considered guilty without it having been proved in court.

Not even presidents. Even if you hate their guts.

[Ramo]

Yay, the Kurds get to be screwed again.

[Ned]

It is amazing that when a number of women give essentially the same sort of story concerning Clinton that we are still supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt. The guy was a smuck, and we all know it.

In contrast, no one ever accused JFK of anything untoward. Most of the women he was with have told their stories. Do any of them have anything unkind to say about him?

Now think about this for a moment: "alleged" mass murderer Hitler. That doesn't sound right does it? We all know the facts. We don't have to had a trial to know the truth. Hitler was a mass murderer.

In the same manner, Clinton was a rapist, a molester and a sexual harrasser. Too many women have come forward. I believe the women.

Had Clinton been the CEO of any company, or any subordinate executive in the US government, he would have been fired based on the evidence of the women's complaints. But he was the president of the United States and we the people had to put up with the scum.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
Yay, the Kurds get to be screwed again.

That should please the PKK.

[chequita guevara]

Actually, Ned, as far as I'm aware, Clinton hasn't been acused of rape. I would definately agree the man is a sex addict, and probably did expose himself to Paula Jones. Kathlene Wiley, while I believed her at first, has been rather thoroughly discredited. Lewinsky certainly was willing. Flowers was willing. Most of the women who've admitted to having sexual contact with Clinton said it was voluntary. Doesn't mean I don't think he's a creep. But even in Wiley's story, when she said "no," he stopped.

On the other hand, Kennedy's affairs were during a very different period, when sexual harrasment wasn't only normal, it was perk of office. And there are still rumors of Monroe's death being murder. She, according to everyone who's spoken about it, was very unhappy with her relationship with both of the Kennedeys.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Ramo
Yay, the Kurds get to be screwed again.

This from someone who doesnt want to remove Hussien? And is opposed to the no-fly zones?


Spare me your gimmicks, stop acting like you actually care.