Chretien begins forming his fascist dictatorship

[RedFred]

Being able to withstand an iceberg impact is remarkable. The fact remains that the BC coast is a high risk area for large earthquakes and tidal waves.

[blackice]

I wonder if there's any correlation between Alberta having the highest post secondary education rate (65% of all people over 25 have post-secondary education) and how Alberta always votes for the conservative parties?

Looking at the employment statistics for that age bracket. Job availability is a more realistic factor. Employers simply do not hire that age bracket no experience is the main factor. You have to have skills I.E. college etc. to survive out there. 7-11 jobs simply do not pay the rent.

Rent…rent controls are good as it stands in Ontario people who do rent because of income can not afford it. Rent control was lifted to encourage building of new apartments. It simply is not being done, condos are going up faster than you can shake a stick at but the people who need affordable housing do not buy condos.

I encourage asher to compare Alberta government stats against say the Auditor generals report to see the propaganda the government there spits out.

Jason Clemens, a Fraser Institute economist, argues that taking energy revenues out of the equalization formula would benefit not only Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, but Alberta as well. Mr. Clemens notes that in 2000-2001, Alberta paid $7.6 billion for equalization, while Ontario shelled out $5.5 billion; if energy revenues were taken out of the formula, Alberta's payments would decrease to about $5 billion. "That would clearly put a bigger fiscal burden on the shoulders of Ontario," Mr. Clemens points out. "Why couldn't Mike Harris come back and say, 'Let's exempt business revenues as well?'"

Natural resources are the only reason Alberta pays more…I will also point out Ontario is the only province never to have needed a hand out…B.C. received equalization payments from 1957 to 1962 and Alberta from 1957 to 1964. Ontario came close in the late 1970s and early 1980s but was excluded because a new rule, called the "personal income override," stopped provinces whose per-capita income exceeded the national average from receiving payments. And so Ontario remains the only province never to have received equalization payments.


Your stats asher on the total of natural revenue over to the Alberta economy is wrong. In fiscal 2000/2001, revenues to the province from crude oil and natural gas accounted for more than 40% or $10.6 billion of Alberta’s total revenues, the result of high commodity.
Between manufacturing of these resources and the resources themselves is about In 2001, energy resource exports totaled $36.1 billion, accounting for about 57% of Alberta's total exports of goods and services. Bad news really, Between 1996 and 2001, Alberta's manufacturing shipments increased by 38% to $42.4 billion.
Alberta's manufacturing sector is closely tied to the resource sector. Almost two-thirds of manufacturing output consists of value-added resource products. NO diversification is bad news, yes both figures are different and done by two different organizations. The story is the same though natural resource related revenue. Interesting to point out both are from the Alberta government sites.

So Taki has a point Alberta has yet to diversify to a point of independence from natural resource revenue. As it was in the past it is today. So with a small percentage being high tech revenue what advantage do they have or what gains have they really made. Any idiot could do the same with the existing resources. What if tomorrow and earthquake hit and swallowed the oil? Could King Ralph keep it together, most say he would get drunk and fade away…

Before 1964, Alberta collected equalization for seven years, giving the province's oil and gas industries a chance to grow. Newfoundland and Nova Scotia want the same opportunity. Now Alberta King Ralphie and Harris say screw them lololol. Here is an interesting study comparing Alaska to Alberta not that far off really read it. Then ask yourself what is Ralphie doing?

http://www.taxpayer.com/ltts/ab/February23-01.htm

The Alberta government has deliberately forgone billions of dollars in potential resource revenue over the past decade - revenue that could have been used to finance important public services like health care and education, says a report released by the University of Alberta's Parkland Institute in November.

http://www.ualberta.ca/~parkland/Post/Vol4_No1/mcgowan-oilwealth.html

Humm why? To avoid transfer payments or? You take a stab at it…It would sure help in the health industry out there. Quebec by the by contributes the most to education in Canada.

Taxes on industry per province.

http://www.kpmg.ca/english/services/docs/tax/ctl/ctl00113.pdf

As for dictatorships Klien already has one...

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
I encourage asher to compare Alberta government stats against say the Auditor generals report to see the propaganda the government there spits out.

That's what I have been doing. Do you mind being a tad bit more specific? It looks like you're trying to sound like you know what y

Jason Clemens, a Fraser Institute economist, argues that taking energy revenues out of the equalization formula would benefit not only Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, but Alberta as well. Mr. Clemens notes that in 2000-2001, Alberta paid $7.6 billion for equalization, while Ontario shelled out $5.5 billion; if energy revenues were taken out of the formula, Alberta's payments would decrease to about $5 billion. "That would clearly put a bigger fiscal burden on the shoulders of Ontario," Mr. Clemens points out. "Why couldn't Mike Harris come back and say, 'Let's exempt business revenues as well?'"

Natural resources are the only reason Alberta pays more…[/QUOTE]
There you have it. Conclusive proof that Alberta pays more. I rest my case.

And in the future, blackice, when you plagiarize entire paragraphs and posts like that, you should cite back to the original source so people don't think you wrote it. 90% of that last paragraph was lifted verbatim from the CBC.

Your stats asher on the total of natural revenue over to the Alberta economy is wrong. In fiscal 2000/2001, revenues to the province from crude oil and natural gas accounted for more than 40% or $10.6 billion of Alberta’s total revenues, the result of high commodity.

Do you mind citing a source for your magical numbers, blackice?
This graph, taken from the Alberta Finance website about Provincial income, would clearly disagree with you, no?

It would seem to me that 18.6% of the revenue is NOT the same as your 40% figure?

So Taki has a point Alberta has yet to diversify to a point of independence from natural resource revenue. As it was in the past it is today. So with a small percentage being high tech revenue what advantage do they have or what gains have they really made. Any idiot could do the same with the existing resources. What if tomorrow and earthquake hit and swallowed the oil? Could King Ralph keep it together, most say he would get drunk and fade away…

WTF? Earthquake in Alberta? SWALLOWING OIL? Are you high, man?

Alberta's economy does have energy as a major source of revenue. But, this economy is FAR more diversified than it once was. See the following charts to illustrate that:


By the looks of things, it's diversifying pretty quickly don't you think?

Before 1964, Alberta collected equalization for seven years, giving the province's oil and gas industries a chance to grow. Newfoundland and Nova Scotia want the same opportunity. Now Alberta King Ralphie and Harris say screw them lololol. Here is an interesting study comparing Alaska to Alberta not that far off really read it. Then ask yourself what is Ralphie doing?
http://www.taxpayer.com/ltts/ab/February23-01.htm

Again, stop taking words from the CBC article without sourcing them. It's bad form.

And the difference here is that Nova Scotia and Newfoundland already receive FEDERAL GRANTS for the explicit purpose of developing their offshore oil and gas reserves. Alberta received NO SUCH GRANTS when we developed our oil and gas industry. In fact, it wasn't until decades later that Ontario even AGREED they wanted Alberta's oil. That's why the situations are different.

Humm why? To avoid transfer payments or? You take a stab at it…It would sure help in the health industry out there. Quebec by the by contributes the most to education in Canada.

Huuuuuuuuuuuh?
The article is saying Alberta doesn't charge as much royalties as other oil producing regions.

The reason is because by taking away less of the oil company's profits, you make it more desirable to work in this region rather than others. By doing that, a support economy builds around the original oil economy, and when it gets to a stage like today's, it's a diverse economy that doesn't depend on oil, but oil keeps away the sales tax and other higher taxes. Which, in turn, attracts even more business...

Taxes on industry per province.
http://www.kpmg.ca/english/services/...l/ctl00113.pdf

All this shows is Alberta's clear tax advantage. Were you trying to point out something else?

As for dictatorships Klien already has one...

How is it a dictatorship in any way?