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    ATHENS, Greece (AP) - The old joke had it that the best way to find a gathering of Greeks was to listen for the noise and watch for the cloud of cigarette smoke. The Health Ministry wants to make the old saw passe, at least so far as the cigarette smoke goes.




    European Union (news - web sites) figures show 44.9 percent of Greeks over age 15 smoke daily, the largest percentage among member countries and among the highest in the world.

    "It is about time laws are actually upheld in this country. ... (about freaking time - general statement) Things have gotten out of hand," Health Minister Alekos Papadopoulos, himself a smoker, said Thursday.

    He announced restrictions that would ban on outdoor tobacco advertising beginning in 2003. In October, no-smoking sections must be available in restaurants, coffee bars and many other public places — normally thick with tobacco smoke. Lighting up in taxis also will be outlawed.

    "By general admission, Greece has delayed implementing anti-smoking programs," said Papadopoulos, whose announcement came on the eve of the U.N.'s World No Tobacco Day. "Compared with other European countries, these measures are minimal."

    But one restaurant owner, Dimitris Papageorgiou, was unimpressed.

    "These measures will not last. They'll be forgotten tomorrow," predicted Papageorgiou, whose Athens restaurant has four indoor tables.

    "Segregated areas? Whoever wants to smoke or not smoke can do so," he said. "If they don't like it, they can go to McDonald's."

    The French are next after the Greeks in the percentage that smoke at 38.3 percent. Sweden ranks last in the 15-member bloc at 22.1 percent.

    Greeks are also notoriously wary of government restrictions. One newspaper cartoon this week showed smokers being exiled to a labor camp on a barren island.

    Current smoking bans for public servants and in hospital waiting rooms are widely ignored. Papadopoulos said those laws would now be enforced with the threat of a three-month jail term.

    He said he would ask charities, government agencies and Greece's powerful Orthodox Church to back an anti-smoking campaign in schools.

    "We do not expect miracles from one day to the next," Papadopoulos said. "It is true that Greeks are defined by an internal sense of anarchy (no sh!t), but they also have a strong sense of fairness."

    Even before the latest rules, smoking restrictions have slowly encroached on Greeks' everyday life.

    Olympic Airways, the national airline, imposed a ban in 1996. And organizers of the Athens Olympics in 2004 have promised to make the games smoke-free.

    Many Greeks who cater to tourists have already been forced to curb smoking.

    "When we get tourists who ask for no-smoking areas, we set one up for them," said Giorgos Samiotis, owner of an Athens restaurant. "It's not a problem."
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  • #2
    Cigarettes? Why bother?

    It's possibly the stupidest thing someone can do. Is it that surprising Europe does it so much more than North America?
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    • #3
      Bananas?

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      • #4
        I don't smoke and I really don't mind if someone smokes around me (as long as they don't exhale).

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        • #5
          Smoking is perhaps the single most selfish vice there is. Utterly unredeeming, a pox on the world.

          Not that I feel strongly about it...
          Tutto nel mondo è burla

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          • #6
            Hey it was after the discovery of the New World that we got it you know?

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            • #7
              Apparantly, I have a 95% chance of developing heart problems without cigarettes, and I'd still like to bet on that 5% chance.

              Stupid family genes.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Triped
                Apparantly, I have a 95% chance of developing heart problems without cigarettes, and I'd still like to bet on that 5% chance.

                Stupid family genes.
                One "excuse" that smokers make is this:

                That if they didn't smoke, they'd suffer more health problems since they'd be more tense, more anxious, more nervous etc etc.

                Have yet to find a medical study which supports that

                And of course there is the old joke:

                _ Cigarrettes kill you slowly.

                _I'm in no hurry

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                • #9
                  BTW Triped, did you come to Greece?

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                  • #10
                    Watching my Grandfather suffer painfully due to his emphezema has kind of turned my off to the idea.
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                    • #11
                      I have never smoked, nor will I ever start to smoke.
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                      • #12
                        I despise smoking. And I reserve a special HATRED for the tobacco corporations. There, my soul is bared and my closet is clean.

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                        • #13
                          I abominate smoking too, although not quite as much as a certain friend of mine. When someone lights up near him, he gets up and walks away without preamble.
                          Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by paiktis22
                            And of course there is the old joke:

                            _ Cigarrettes kill you slowly.

                            _I'm in no hurry

                            _One cigarette makes your life shorter for five minutes.
                            _So what? One workday makes it shorter for eight hours.



                            Paiktis, looks like we are the only smokers here.
                            *Cough*
                            For you my non-smoking friends, I should say….*Cough* *Cough*
                            …. Don’t trust to those lying doctors….*Cough* …. Don’t believe in this bullsh!t…..*Cough* The cancer is the myth invented by doctors to took your money….*Cough* The smoking of tobacco is very good for yo..*Cough*…ur health. The cigarettes contain various vitamins and it helps you to relax and to enjoy. *Cough**Cough**Cough* Forget about doctors, *Cough* Enjoy the life. *Cough**Cough**Cough**Cough**Cough**Cough**Cough** Cough**Cough**Cough* *Cough*


                            P.S. The old Russian saying is say: “Bezalkogolnoe pivo eto perviy shàg k rezinovoy zhenshine.”. It means:
                            the non-alcohol beer is the first step to sex doll (or rubber women or whatever it calls on your monkey language).
                            Last edited by Serb; May 31, 2002, 02:46.

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                            • #15
                              I tolerate smoking, but not in my house. If only trys to spark up there, I send them outside.
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