How has George W. Bush done so far as President?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Since when did Bush said Global Warming doesn't exist? I'd like to see a quote .

I think his positions is Global Warming exists, but it won't be as bad as the 'experts' say. And thus doesn't justify sacrificing the economy, therefore we should continue on our basic path until fuel cells replace fossil fuels in the near future.

[Ned]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Ned, only if you define belief as in 'I believe I exist'.

There is a big difference to believe an atom is made up of neutrons, electrons and protons (which is what I do), and believe in pink unicorns (which is what Bush does. Well, pink unicorns in 'global warming doesn't exist' form, if you catch my drift).

I don't know about "pink unicorns," but real science depends upon repeatable experiments. Much of "Global Warming" depends upon "theory" which has yet to be confirmed by science. The models are not predicting what we are actually seeing, or, to put another way, the models predict a lot more warming than has actually occurred. Even so, the argument is made that one cannot "prove" the "future," meaning we should act now before theory is confirmed.

I just give one "for example." A few years ago I read an article of the physics of ozone depletion. The reactions required extreme cold, which is why they occur at the poles during winter. At the time, we were seeing a large growth in the ozone layer depletion, particually over the Antarctic. I suggested that one of the reasons for this could be that the poles were getting colder.

When I suggested this, I was immediately informed by Global Warming advocates that the poles were getting warmer, not colder. However, we have recently discovered that the Antarctic has indeed become noticeably colder. I assume the scientists will adjust their models accordingly. However, what the models predicted to happen was not only not happening, but the opposite was happening.

Even though Global Warming lies, in my opinion, more in science fiction than in fact, I personally believe we should proceed with a prudent level of reduction in greenhouse gasses, primarily by moving to clean power. I believe this because I cannot "know" that Global Warming is not going to happen. The computer models suggest that it will.

I think this is Bush's position as well.

Ned

[Imran Siddiqui]

Even though Global Warming lies, in my opinion, more in science fiction than in fact

Without Global Warming, life wouldn't exist . I think what you are looking for is 'Our increase in Global Warming lies more in sci-fi than in fact'.

Anyway, I disagree with you and the President... but then again, I'm not saying that you believe in 'pink unicorns' or anything .

[Zkribbler]

Economic policy: Unbalanced the budget in order to give tax breaks to the ultra wealth.

Energy policy: drill for more gas and oil. (er...that's all)

War on Terror: Stomped the Taliban then did nothing except call nations he doesn't like part of an "axis of evil."

No real serious damages yet, so I rate him a "fair"

[Ned]

Well, Imran, have you actually read the governments reports? The United States. it seems, will actually benefit economically from Global Warming. The models predict a large increase in rain in the West. The models also predict a significant increase in agriculural production in the U.S. All is not gloom and doom.

In fact, one Stanford professor questions why the United States should do anything to stop Global Warming given its positive impact on the U.S.

These are also reasons why we should go slow on "remedies."

Ned

[Saint Marcus]

I would like to give you an example of a "great" leader from your area, Adolph Hitler. He garnered 92% and 99% of the vote in the last two elections before the war.

48% and 42% I believe. Or something along those lines. Not even the mayority of the votes.

[Solver]

Not being a US resident I can't say I know much, but AFAIK, he got the American economy running quite well. As for sept. 11... I guess any president would order an attack on Afghanistan, and I guess it's not exactly up to the president how the war is waged - so some ppl who think that if there was another president, Bin Laden would be captured, are wrong.

However, I do dislike Bush's vision of ME... Clinton did stronger support for Israel, and though the USA still supports Israel, the support, as I feel, isn't that big. Though just consider, if not for the fear of USA, Iraq would probably ally with the Palestenian terrorist organizations and commit a total genocide in Israel.

[Fidel]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I think that he's bringing the US' downfall about quicker than I would have imagined possible prior to Jan. 2001.

I give him about a 9.8/10.

damn, i wanted to write just that but you stole my line

[Ned]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


48% and 42% I believe. Or something along those lines. Not even the mayority of the votes.

Obviously the history that I have seen on Web on this point is incorrect. Can you give me a link to a more reliable source?

Ned

[Saint Marcus]

Obviously the history that I have seen on Web on this point is incorrect. Can you give me a link to a more reliable source?

It wasn't wrong, it was incomplete. In the last two elections Hitler did get 90+% of the votes. But those elections weren't democratic. My numbers were out of the top of my head though, the real figures for the last democratic elections were 44% and 33%.

http://212.187.153.33/1930-1939/Stor...126949,00.html (Guardian)

November 13th, 1933. Nazis get 93.4% of the votes. But, like I said, those weren't democratic elections.

March 5th 1933: Nazis get 43.9% of the votes. Last democratic elections.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trot...-ger/elect.htm (Marxist site, but the numbers are the same as in the Guardian article)

November 1932: Nazis get 33.1% of the votes.

March 1933: Nazis get 43.9% of the votes. Last democratic elections.

http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/prasident.htm

Presidential elections:

March 13th 1932: Hitler gets 30.1% of the votes

April 10th 1932: Hitler gets 36.8% of the votes

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, Imran, have you actually read the governments reports? The United States. it seems, will actually benefit economically from Global Warming. The models predict a large increase in rain in the West. The models also predict a significant increase in agriculural production in the U.S. All is not gloom and doom.

You mean, as opposed to the droughts we are facing now?

Increases in Global Warming cannot lead to good things, Ned. It is all gloom and doom, because while MINOR warming may help, you can't really have simply minor warming. It feeds on itself.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Well, Imran, have you actually read the governments reports? The United States. it seems, will actually benefit economically from Global Warming. The models predict a large increase in rain in the West. The models also predict a significant increase in agriculural production in the U.S. All is not gloom and doom.

You mean, as opposed to the droughts we are facing now?

Increases in Global Warming cannot lead to good things, Ned. It is all gloom and doom, because while MINOR warming may help, you can't really have simply minor warming. It feeds on itself.

Venus?

Ned

[Ramo]

Lessee:

He's a fascist bastard who passed a bill that has undermined our civil liberties more than any other bill in recent history.

He's had an irresponsible policy with regards to Israel and a downright horrible one with regards to Colombia.

He's passed tons of corporate welfare.

In general, he's been increasing spending irresponsibly.

He's been increasing protectionism, although the Dems likely would've been worse.

On the other hand, he's handled the war in Afghanistan reasonably well.

I think that makes him average.

[MosesPresley]

Originally posted by SKILORD


What's he trying to take our minds off of? kosovo never harbored terrorists that attacked us.

ENRON, and a UNOCAL sponsored pipeline in Afghanistan, it must be working, because no one is talking about it.

[Akka]

Originally posted by Ned
Well, Imran, have you actually read the governments reports? The United States. it seems, will actually benefit economically from Global Warming. The models predict a large increase in rain in the West. The models also predict a significant increase in agriculural production in the U.S. All is not gloom and doom.

In fact, one Stanford professor questions why the United States should do anything to stop Global Warming given its positive impact on the U.S.

These are also reasons why we should go slow on "remedies."

Ned

Am I authorized to find absolutly frightening such irresponsability about the ecological balance ?
"let's disrupt what's left of the ecosystem on Earth so it will beneficiate to our economy"...

Let me puke...