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  • #106
    Originally posted by faded glory
    Who built the crusader? General Dynamics? Or do they only make ammo. Just curouis.
    United Defense, IIRC.


    They are also mildly displeased that that DD(x) family of Naval ships went to Northrup Grumnan(sic). The 155mm guns on those vessels will *not* be bought from them.
    Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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    • #107
      DanS, you also need to consider the cost of the delivery platform and the ability to put rounds different places. A pilot can deliver x bombs and be over targets for y amount of time. And loitering over targets is not much of an option unless you want to lose flight crews.

      A naval gun can just deliver round after round after mfing ROUND!!! Kaboom!
      Last edited by TCO; May 14, 2002, 00:28.

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      • #108
        As I've pointed out before, said Grunts on the ground are screwed if it's ever cloudy GP
        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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        • #109
          GP votes for putting deck guns back on submarines!
          Last edited by TCO; May 14, 2002, 00:25.

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          • #110
            Making up for your inadequacies? I thought the nice, smooth torpedoes and missiles would have been enough for you.
            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
            Stadtluft Macht Frei
            Killing it is the new killing it
            Ultima Ratio Regum

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            • #111
              Originally posted by KrazyHorse
              Making up for your inadequacies? I thought the nice, smooth torpedoes and missiles would have been enough for you.
              I have a lot of inadequacies. Besides, you need something smaller to deal with small boats. Pirates in the Straights of Malaaca and such...(no, not lifeboats, Kitty! )

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              • #112
                I hear you, GP. But the Pentagon weenies nearly jiz their pants when talking about delivering this kind of precision poundage damn near anywhere on the globe cost effectively.

                I don't know how much a B52 would cost to replace, but we have over 100 bombers of various stripes in active duty, each capable of carrying 10-20 1K or 2K lb. JDAMs.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #113
                  Originally posted by Lonestar
                  As I've pointed out before, said Grunts on the ground are screwed if it's ever cloudy GP
                  agreed.

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                  • #114
                    Originally posted by GP


                    I have a lot of inadequacies. Besides, you need something smaller to deal with small boats. Pirates in the Straights of Malaaca and such...(no, not lifeboats, Kitty! )
                    Don't you guys have stocks of machine guns and the like?
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #115
                      Originally posted by DanS
                      I hear you, GP. But the Pentagon weenies...
                      'nuff said. They are a buncha blue-suiter powerpoint rangers...

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                      • #116


                        I knew I could get the Powerpoint comment out of you.

                        How heavy are these howitzer shells?
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #117
                          Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                          Don't you guys have stocks of machine guns and the like?
                          I want something deck-mounted...

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                          • #118
                            Having another "missile crisis" in your love life? Been cursed with a few "short rounds"? Your "gun" jam?
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #119
                              BTW, Kitty I'm not really serious about the deck guns. But, well it would be kinda cool.


                              Who knows maybe we futz around with the current trend for littoral warfare and against blue water sea control (guess everybody concedes us that anyway...), we can come up with a plasible rationale...

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                              • #120
                                Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                                Having another "missile crisis" in your love life? Been cursed with a few "short rounds"? Your "gun" jam?
                                I need it lubricated and...mounted.

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