BOOM! Terract in Rishon Le Zion

[Jaakko]

Please...

Are you really going to tell me you see no difference between Hitler and the current Pal situation?
And I didn't bring up Hitler, so yer barking up the wrong tree anyhow.

[Jon Miller]

OK

substitute in Japanese but on smaller scale

truism still holds

Jon Miller

[Jaakko]

Japanese aren't any good for a comparison either...
Come on, the Pals don't even have a real country for crying out loud, let alone an army.

[Sirotnikov]

they have a very organized mob.

obviously nothing will hold without a peace agreement

but a peace agreement won't hold unless terror is defeated - militarily

[KrazyHorse]

You've had 30 years to do so and have failed.

[Sirotnikov]

we succeeded actually

once we let up the military pressure, terror has risen

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
they have a very organized mob.

obviously nothing will hold without a peace agreement

but a peace agreement won't hold unless terror is defeated - militarily

we succeeded actually

once we let up the military pressure, terror has risen

So why didn't you make a peace deal?

[HisMajestyBOB]

Maybe because Arafat didn't want peace? It takes two to make peace ya know.

[Jaakko]

Originally posted by HisMajestyBOB
Maybe because Arafat didn't want peace? It takes two to make peace ya know.

Which brings us nicely back to the point about military action not bringing peace, made by both KrazyHorse and me...

[Shi Huangdi]

You really ought to just seperate off from the Occupied territories and build a big wall seperating you from your neighbors......

[KrazyHorse]

So what's Siro's solution?

To me it appears that the Israelis are quite happy to keep the conflict going as long as it affords them the opportunity to continue to populate the occupied territories.

Israel hasn't stopped building settlements since they started. How is this conducive to a peace deal?

[Natan]

To me it appears that the Israelis are quite happy to keep the conflict going as long as it affords them the opportunity to continue to populate the occupied territories.

Whereas the Palestinians have suicide bomber summer camps because they hate war so much? If you take polls, Israelis repeatedly say that they'd be quite willing to give up settlements for peace.

Israel hasn't stopped building settlements since they started. How is this conducive to a peace deal?

It's considered a form of non-violent resistance to Palestinian terrorism.
edit: Let's clarify that use of the passive and make clear that they are considered a non-violent response to terrorism by their builders and supporters.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
You really ought to just seperate off from the Occupied territories and build a big wall seperating you from your neighbors......

Walls don't stop rockets and artillery. Do you really expect the Israelis to allow a hostile force to lob shells on Tel Aviv?

[KrazyHorse]

I never said the palestinians hate war. They don't want to make peace either.

Settlements are a thinly-veiled attempt to grab the whole pie for Israel. Are you telling me that when peace is made the settlements will be pulled out?

[Jon Miller]

so some are suggesting eliminating the palestinian people (those who say that oyu cannot eliminate ideas)

Jon miller