Council of Europe agrees to abolish barrbaric punishment

[Seneca]

Originally posted by nationalist
Look at few statistics.

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I like a man who follows his own advice...

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by nationalist

Truman authorized the bombingof Hiroshima nd Nagasaki to end a war and save hundreds of thousands of lives. Granted his actions killed thousands, but they ultimately saved more than they killed. The Japanese government is just as guilty for those Japanese lives as Truman. They engaged in an aggressive war against the U.S., and were willing to fight to the last to prevent defeat.

Utter malarkey.

1) Truman used the A-Bombs to scare Stalin and to thwart a Soviet invasion of Japan. He wrote as much in his diaries and letters to his wife.
2) The Japanese government had made moves to surrender, their only stipulation being a guarantee of that Hirohito would not be held accountable for any war crimes and could retain his position as emperor. U.S. military intelligence believed promising Hirohito's sanctity would be enough to get the Japanese to surrender, and told Truman as such. After the surrender, we kept Hirohito in his place. We couldn't just promise that before? No, because then Truman wouldn't have been able to scare Crazy Joe with the bombs.
3) Truman's estimates of casualties for an invasion changed drastically over time, going up and up and up as he sought to justify the bombings with the public. Everytime the media published photos of the devastation, Truman revised the number upwards again.
4) Nearly all of Truman's top military staff, including Eisenhower, strongly told him he shouldn't use the bombs and were adamantly against their use. Wouldn't they be the best judges of such things?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by David Floyd


I meant what law did he break that he could be prosecuted under.



Actually I see a certain hilarious irony to child molesters and sex offenders getting some of their own back.

Didn't your mother ever taught you that two wrongs do not make a right??


The reason why I am not in the mood to laugh at this, is I read an article a couple of weeks ago, about a gay inmate in Texas, where he was repeatedly raped and sexually assualted by other inmates for about a year, IIRC.

When he reported the attacks to prison authorities, the officers shrugged it off, and said, something like: "You're a *** -- it's what you want, isn't it?"

I was fuming when I came across that article. Fortunately for the victim, he was relocated, and now a civil rights organization is organizing a case on his behalf to sue for damages.

[Boris Godunov]

There was a worse incident in Texas wherein a gay man was convicted of murder, and the prosecutor asked the jury to give him the death penalty--not because of how awful his crime was, or anything like that--but just because life in prison would be *pleasurable* for him because he was gay (hint, hint, he'd like getting anally raped every night, wouldn't he?)

Thankfully the sentence was overturned (But they did give it to him) and he was either released or getting a new trial, don't recall which. But certainly quite frightening.

[Simon Darkshade]

The death penalty is eminently suitable in some circumstances - Westley Allan Dodd, John Wayne Gacey, Ted Bundy, Andrei Chikatilo and their ilk; they did not and do not merit humane confinement for several decades.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
The death penalty is eminently suitable in some circumstances - Westley Allan Dodd, John Wayne Gacey, Ted Bundy, Andrei Chikatilo and their ilk; they did not and do not merit humane confinement for several decades.

If we can reform the prison system by denying all felon inmates any form of leisure entertainment other than reading or card games, then there is nothing luxurious about life imprisonment with no chance for parole or probation.

[Simon Darkshade]

Originally posted by MrFun If we can reform the prison system by denying all felon inmates any form of leisure entertainment other than reading or card games, then there is nothing luxurious about life imprisonment with no chance for parole or probation.

Card Games?! Reading!?! Why give them that much?
It doesn't matter that they may sit back with a bare minimum of leisure entertainment.

Those convicted and executed criminals I named were examples of individuals who have committed the most horrific and heinous crimes, and allowing them to live allowed them to continue with their fantasies and despicable thoughts. The world was far better off without them, and the bullet in the back of Chikatilo's head did not cost an awful lot.
There are some crimes so reprehensible that life is forfeited for them, in order to wipe the filth off the face of the earth.

If they are given life, they would probably end up getting Dahmered...

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by GP
Actually I think it is a bad idea to have rape allowed in prison. it is a breakdown of discipline.


If we were to sanction such behavior (and we shouldn't) than the state should adminsiter it...

I agree

Jon Miller

[MrFun]

Simon --- life imprisonment with no chance of parole or probation would prevent them from ever committing crimes again in society.

[Jon Miller]

but I would say, give me liberty or death

so no liberty, -:> death

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

note, I might have liberty in prison (in which case I would not choose death)

Jon Miller

[TCO]

Oh, wait is this another thread about how the Eurocoms think we're a buncha hard-assed he-men? Who cares. What is this council anyway?

[Jon Miller]

hmmm, restraining myself (That would definitely be an own goal at Counterglow)

Jon Miller

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Were the death penalty:

1) 100% accurate (no innocents executed)
2) Not racist
3) an actual deterrent to crime
4) Only used on those beyond hope of rehabiliation

I would support it. It's none of those things, nor ever can be, so away with it.

what if a guy is a mass murderer, confesses a crime, is caught on the CCTV camera while doings so or 1 zillion people saw him in daylight. so again, he/she confesses and laughs in judge's face? i reckon he should be put to sleep. forever.

abolishment of the death penalty is the stupidest thing CoE has on its agenda. racist argument perhaps applies in texas and bible belt, but hardly here

[Fidel]

Originally posted by MrFun
Simon --- life imprisonment with no chance of parole or probation would prevent them from ever committing crimes again in society.

until there is a major upheaval in the society. ask the threadstarter about all the lunatics and convicts that were let free and armed at the beginning of the yugoslav civil war. on both sides.