Tipping

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
First you have the bill, then you have to add some percentage (dependent on whatever state you're in!) to get to the total because for some moronic reason they can't figure out how to include tax into the bill in the US...

You've really been to some low rent resturaunts because that has never happned to me before.

[Boris Godunov]

There's a stereotype here in NYC that if anyone gives less than a 20% tip that it must be a tourist. This is, as far as I have seen, a bunch of crap, because the New Yorkers (particularly the wealthy upper west siders) are cheapskate tippers. Tourists, if anything, tend to overtip so as not to look like rubes.

Orange, tell your friend to f*ck off! My roommate is a waiter at an "upscale diner" and says change is perfectly fine, as money is money. If you were at Chez Derriere and the bill was $100 or something, yeah maybe.

Oh and to all those "just pay them a better wage" folks, Wait persons make far more money on the tip system than they would on the wage scale, if just because they can avoid paying as much taxes.

Likewise, if they did this, it would just jack up the cost of the food. Then we who thrive on take-out would get screwed, since we don't have to tip anyway!!!

[orange]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I think tipping is a silly idea. There seems to be quite a vicious tipping culture in the US and if you don't tip, consider your nation to be up their with Iraq for the next invasion I just find it awkward, I like to know how much the meal costs and pay that amount, not be expected to fork out some undisclosed sum which more often than not, I cannot afford.

The idea is, you tip based on how good your service was. It's supposed to encourage waiters and waitresses to be courteous and pleasant. That way if a waitress comes up to you, acting like a b itch, rolling her eyes when you change your order, etc., you can tip her less than the person who is nice and pleasant and helps you to have a good time while you're eating.

Besides, if they didn't get tips your meal would cost more as most waiters and waitresses make below minimum wage + tips. They'd have to make at least minimum wage (more likely more) to make up for the no tipping factor.

[Boris Godunov]

Orange Johnson is right!

Tipping does give the patron some measure of guarantee for quality of service. I've had some crappy, sullen awful waiters before. I show my displeasure by leaving them a bad tip. Not just a low tip, and not just NO tip...I'm talking like a nickel. I think that gets the message across.

If the cost of tipping we're added into the cost of the meal, what recourse would I have but to waste a lot of time and energy complaining to the manager, when i can say all I need to say with that lovely, shiny nickel?

Edit--I'm so happy with my new Avatar, aren't you?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Your country is f*cked up in this regard.

First you have the bill, then you have to add some percentage (dependent on whatever state you're in!) to get to the total because for some moronic reason they can't figure out how to include tax into the bill in the US...

You prefer taxes to be hidden? So then many people wouldn't even know they were paying them. Great idea. Maybe we should do away with that concept of representation also.

[Provost Harrison]

That sounds about right orange. Why should restaurant staff be paid lousy wages, and then managers pass on the responsibility of their livelihood to their customers.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by notyoueither


You prefer taxes to be hidden? So then many people wouldn't even know they were paying them. Great idea. Maybe we should do away with that concept of representation also.

If taxes were labelled on petrol pumps, the public would be shocked. "How much ****ing tax!?!?!?!?" would roar out at petrol stations across the country.

[orange]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
That sounds about right orange. Why should restaurant staff be paid lousy wages, and then managers pass on the responsibility of their livelihood to their customers.

I think it's a good system...

...why should piss poor *******s be paid the same as nice friendly people in a job that's 90% human interaction.

[Paul Hanson]

I'm starting to warm to the idea of tipping, but I don't like the sort of "moral" obligation I felt under on my last trip to the States to pay a particular amount. You should pay varying amounts according to the service you receive; it encourages the practice of good service.

Of course, this theory falls apart the second you get a customer who gives lousy tips regardless, due to the fact that they're a ****er

[notyoueither]

Commission sales...

[orange]

Originally posted by Paul Hanson
I'm starting to warm to the idea of tipping, but I don't like the sort of "moral" obligation I felt under on my last trip to the States to pay a particular amount. You should pay varying amounts according to the service you receive; it encourages the practice of good service.

Of course, this theory falls apart the second you get a customer who gives lousy tips regardless, due to the fact that they're a ****er

Well, 15% is sometimes 'standard' in restaraunts (more expensive ones) and it's sort of you can go up from that if you feel like the person serving you was worth it.

But generally at a diner or even a pub or restaraunt, it's completely up to you. 15% is considered a standard tip. You have $10 worth of food, you leave a buck 50.

For delivery the same applies, but if I'm ordering in for just myself, I usually give a good bit more than 15%, as 15% of $5.50 isn't even a dollar...so I'll usually give a buck and change, or even $2, depending on how fast the service was.

[Felch]

My friends and I frequent a diner in my home town where we leave tips ranging between 40-100 percent. The waitress loves it because most of the kids who eat there skimp on the tips and either leave nothing, or practically nothing. So whenever we show up, she makes sure to get us our food faster than anybody else, and to refill our drinks really fast.

[Provost Harrison]

Some of you Americans just seem to have more money than sense, but then again, bear in mind that it is proportionally a lot cheaper to eat out in the US, which would probably account for our greater level of stinginess regarding tips.

[Felch]

We have more money than sense because socialist governments aren't looting our paychecks (well, not as much), and not stifling innovation with excessive taxes.

How does that rate on the troll scale? I think the timing was okay, so I shouldn't get a terrible score even if the argument is rather overused.

[Seneca]

Most of the time I don't have an opinion on the service - as long as it gets to the table within a reasonable time (and if it doesn't, it's probably not the waiter's fault), and the waiter hasn't shat in it, then I really don't care.

Why should I be expected to implicity grade how well a tray-monkey carries food back and forth?