Theory of Evolution Should have never been a part of this game!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Caligastia
What is the point of creating a perfect world?

What is the point in creating the world? Period.

[DinoDoc]

Damn you, Mark! I demand that you move this back to the Civ3 forum or close it! We already have enough of these threads here now. The OT isn't meant to be the mod garbage can to dispose of unwanted threads.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Asher
There is no afterlife. That much is patently obvious.

How would anyone know there is an afterlife? They're DEAD when they go there.

Why are you so confident there isnt one then?

The concept of afterlife was created so the leaders of the cults would have a way of getting people to do what they say and follow their morals. If you don't do this or that, you will BURN IN HELL. If you do do this or that, you will relax peacefully in heaven for all of eternity.

Yep, unfortunately thats true. Many people stay in organised religion because they are afraid.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Why are you so confident there isnt one then?

Because there is absolutely no way for anyone to know that it WOULD exist if it DID exist.

And recently with the Heaven's Gate stuff, I've become convinced that people with pathetic lives are so gullible they'll believe anything that gives them hope.

[mbelleroff]

dude,

I don't even know where to start.

First of all, The "scientific community" does not laugh at the theory of evolution. There are still debates about it, but in general evolution comes across as the best theory, or hypothesis if you insist. Yes, you're right, in the end it's just a hypothesis. But ever hear of Occam's Razor? Given the options, evolution seems to be the best hypothesis we've got, so suck it up and deal with it.

Relativity is not proven fact, by the way. Einstein's theories have been upheld when tested, but any scientist will tell you that this is far from proof. It is simply a lack of disproof. Which is exactly what evolution has going for it. In fact Einstein gave up on or recanted much of his work before he died, including e.g. the Cosmological Constant. It was only later physicists who found out he was actually right. And then of course there was his biggest blunder, his staunch assertion that God does not play dice. We now know that He does.

Creationism only makes sense if we make it make sense. Anyway, it's a silly debate, both theories can easily be incorporated to work together if you read the evidence the right way.

And finally, by the way, exactly who is laughing at the Big Bang? Sure they've revised the theory to puch it back 5-10 billion years, but almost every astrophysicist, astronomer and cosmologist still gives the theory credence. You have a really bad habit of making bold, declarative statements about the thoughts of whole communities.

Poor silly humans. A temporarily stable pattern of matter and energy stumbles upon self-cognizance for a moment, and suddenly it thinks the whole universe was created for its benefit.

[Draco aka Se7eN]

LOL PROVOST HARISON

How inteligent of you to assuem that im a teenage know nothing LOL

I would also like to know how evolution at all helps with our knowlege of genetics and molecular bioligy.

I also find it amusing that you assume that i know nothing about this subject. You couldnt be more incorrect. I know more about this than you think. Im not going to insult you on the other hand. Im not going to claim that you are not intelligent. Obviously if you are a teacher at oxford you must be intelligent. However i ask of you to not assume that i lack intelligence because i do not believe what you believe.

I have already called you out. Show me fossle evidence of evolution and i will believe in evolution.

Thats all you need to prove evolution once and for all. But here is the thing. There is no fossle evidence. You can come up with all the hypothisises and idea's you want. But that would make you know better than creationists. However creationists do have proof on their side. If we did not evolve from a single celled organism then how did we get here? if there is no fossle evidence of one creature evolving into another then how did we get to be who we are? If you look at the fossle records every species found has always existed in its original form. IF that is the case then logically Creation scientifically holds true.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by fezick31
The whole point comes down to an argument of what happens when you die.

That's number 11 on the list:

11. ARGUMENT FROM FEAR

(1) If there is no God then we're all going to die.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

If Evolution is true, then when you die, that's it, goodbye, no more.

How do you figure? I fail to see how proof of evolution would prove that there is no afterlife.

(and if that is the case, why in the world waste your time on these forum, go out and do something valuable with the few short years you have),

Hold on there. Are you saying that the only purpose of your life is to die and hopefully get into a nice afterlife? That's awful. The existence or non-existence of an afterlife should have no bearing on your life here on earth; don't live for pipe dreams.

However, if creationism is true, then there is something beyond death.

How do you figure? Proof of creationism would prove that there was some force that caused us to come into existence, but would by no means prove that there is an afterlife.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by Draco aka Se7eN
The problem with Evolutionists is that they cant accept any scientific evidence that proves evolution false! Most evolutionists are grossly educated in falsehoods or are biased and will find any reason not to believe in god.

Name us some evidence that proves evolution false.
Besides, the reason people believe in evolution certain isN't because they want to reject God. Plenty of Theists out there believing in it! Evolution simply makes more sense and has more evidence backing it up.
Rather, creationists believe in Creation because they reject any evidence that could point otherwise.

Look im not here because i believe in god. Im arguing because evolution is scientifically false.

Ah.... and Creation is therefore scientifically true?
Evolution makes some sense. Creation makes none.

It is logical that their is a creater. On this planet we see creation all around us. When has anything complex ever spontaniously evolved or come about by accedent.

Have you ever seen a snowflake before??
It looks complex. But actually the concept is really simple.

If any of you had any idea how complex even the simplest single celled organism is then perhaps you could put aside your biased believes and open your eyes to the facts.

The simplest organism around doesn't even have cells.
Most creationists give us a full Animal Cell model, complete with nucleus, mitochondria, Golgi apparatus etc, and tell us that this could NOT have occurred through chance. Yes I agree. But have you considered that even single-celled organisms went through billions of years of evolution?
It's like presenting us with a fullscale model of a hummingbird and telling us that it could not have simply appeared by chance. Yeah, like duh.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Asher

So this is acceptable, but it's not acceptable to say the world exists in THIS time and space as we know it, without a creator?

That is completely and utterly illogical.

Its acceptable, if thats what you want to say, I wont stop you. Its not true though. There is a lot more to it than just God, humans and angels. There are many other beings in various universe governments that participate in the overcontrol of evolution.

Huh?
A perfect world would allow free will, but no one would kill by default and everyone would be tolerant of those around them.

What kind of masochist are you?

As I said, perfection does not come overnight. This world is evolving towards perfection every day, and as you have noticed, it has a long way to go.

Is that why atheism is becoming more and more popular each day as people learn more about the world?

Science will never be able to answer everything.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Draco aka Se7eN
LOL PROVOST HARISON

How inteligent of you to assuem that im a teenage know nothing LOL

In your intelligent ways you forgot to forge your birthday in your profile. People can see you were born in 1982.

I would also like to know how evolution at all helps with our knowlege of genetics and molecular bioligy.

I also find it amusing that you assume that i know nothing about this subject. You couldnt be more incorrect. I know more about this than you think. Im not going to insult you on the other hand. Im not going to claim that you are not intelligent. Obviously if you are a teacher at oxford you must be intelligent. However i ask of you to not assume that i lack intelligence because i do not believe what you believe.

Well, PH was a graduate student in biology, so I'm willing to hedge my bets on him knowing far more on this than you, seeing as you have trouble with basic grammar.

I have already called you out. Show me fossle evidence of evolution and i will believe in evolution.

No, you see, evolution already has TONS of evidence.
The burden of proof is on you, buddy.

IF that is the case then logically Creation scientifically holds true.

ROFLMAO

[Provost Harrison]

I wouldn't say you are correct mbelleroff, evolution is more than a 'hypothesis', this is the major point of my argument. It's been observed to occur at the microscopic level, such as antibiotic resistance of bacteria or clonal selection within the acquired immune system. We also have the examples of artificial selection, same mechanism, just very intense selection pressures placed upon plants by us.

The theory is quite solid, it is just a matter of adding to it. Remember, Darwinian evolution was essentially correct, was refined with our knowledge of genetics to produce an answer to what is the motor behind evolution. It works in every instance. There is still some support over the evolutionary pathway of modern day organisms, but still, there is no dispute over the mechanism that caused it, and it certainly isn't some contrived 'creationist' system where some God put everything there, a theory that throws up more questions than the original problem rather than solves them.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Asher

Because there is absolutely no way for anyone to know that it WOULD exist if it DID exist.

If thats the case, then you have to admit that you dont know if there is an afterlife or not.

And recently with the Heaven's Gate stuff, I've become convinced that people with pathetic lives are so gullible they'll believe anything that gives them hope.

Unfortunately, yes.

[jep]

Originally posted by Draco aka Se7eN
It is logical that their is a creater. On this planet we see creation all around us. When has anything complex ever spontaniously evolved or come about by accedent.

If any of you had any idea how complex even the simplest single celled organism is then perhaps you could put aside your biased believes and open your eyes to the facts.

I'd say you're standing on the evidence (i.e., earth). But, I'd point you towards complex adaptive systems. These are systems based on a few simple rules which develop incredibly advanced and complex behaviour. The theory of evolution describes a complex adaptive system of medium complexity (but it's been running for a very long time)

Don't think evolution can produce the results? Well, I just remembered some experimental evidence that demonstrates evolution can work exactly as it is suggested it can: genetic programming.

Don't think GAs can produce complexity? Then you need to look at some of the stuff produced by them. I've seen circuit diagrams produced by genetic algorithms that are so incredibly complicated and obscure that no one can figure out how they work! And it's all based on the application of simple rules that are adapted from genetic behaviours observed in the reproduction and life-cycles of living organisms.

[KrazyHorse]

Their is no fossle evudens of evlushun. Its a mith made up by the libral jewish media. Creationism is a proven sinetific FACT that doesn't get publishd in sintefic jurnols becuz there biesed. Anybody who believes in evolushunism is going to HELL!

[Caligastia]

Re: dude,

Originally posted by mbelleroff
Creationism only makes sense if we make it make sense. Anyway, it's a silly debate, both theories can easily be incorporated to work together if you read the evidence the right way.
Poor silly humans. A temporarily stable pattern of matter and energy stumbles upon self-cognizance for a moment, and suddenly it thinks the whole universe was created for its benefit.