A War Crime in Jenin?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
It still hasn't been proven, that's what the trial is for. The same should be done to Sharon.

Sharon and everyone involved were already trialed in Israel and got their punishment in accordance to the degree in which they were guilty.

You seem to think that you know for sure that Sharon masterminded this, and he is reponsible for this alone.

You didn't care for the commander on the ground, Hubaika, who was until recently a Lebanese Minister!!

Your bias leaks out of your ears.

No, Peres invited a UN inquiry. I doubt Sharon shares his enthusiasm.

Well you can stop doubting.

Peres doesn't speak for himself. He's a too good politician and too honest man, to speak on his own behalf instead of doing his duty.

The invitation of the inquiry was decided upon by Peres and Sharon.

What motives? Sharon is a murdering bastard, it's as simple as that. And it's also quite obvious he doesn't want peace. The worst part is, that's it's not only him. Sharon is extremely popular in the polls, which show that the Israelis agree with the oppression of the Palestinians.

Obviously!!!!!!!!!!



Your motieves were uncovered when you posted this response

why stop there? it's entirely true.

to

I really don't know -- I stopped reading after this:

by the Mad Monk, who was appalled by the nazism of WFHerman's post.

After what happened WW2, you'd expect the Israelis to be more peaceloving. Instead, they are changing from being the opressed, to being the oppressors. Sadly, we are to blame. Who should never have given Israel to the Jewish community in the first place.

You mean we should have finished the Job in WWII?

But what done is done, and a way has to be found for the two people to live in peace. With Sharon in charge, that is unlikely to happen.

However one should pay the dearest respect to Arafat, who only killled thousands of israelis, jews, palestinians, lebanese, christians etc.

And yeah, it has taken sometime, but after all the **** Israel has pulled I'm really starting to loathe that governement. I merely dislike the American governement, but I truly loathe that of the Israelis. I can't wait to see Sharon and co on trial in The Hague or Brussels.

You're a damn fool and you don't care to see what's beyond your arrogant nose because you lifted it up so high.

That said, I hope Arafat will be facing trial as well. He's as bad as Sharon is for sure, though far less important. Without Arafat, the terrorist attacks carried out by palestinians would still continue.

At least that.

Without Sharon (and with a more peaceloving leader in charge) the state terrorism carried out by the IDF can stop. So therefor, getting rid off Sharon is far more important than getting rid of Arafat (who certainly is "irrelevant", the only thing I and Sharon agree on).

Obviously palsetinain terrorism is not state sponsored.

And it is by all means more peace loving that the Israeli actions, meant to avoid civilian casualties.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by WFHermans

The Jews certainly are smart and well organized. But they also certainly do have certain inherent pathological tendencies that they seem utterly unable to keep under control.

Jews have inherent pathological tendencies

At controlling us they're pretty good.

Jews are controlling the western world

just as some of them are dancing a hora and gloating that with their control over the George Bush government they really have a stranglehold on the world

Jews have a stranglehold on the world

Jews are constantly taking polls, constantly sampling public opinion, so that they can estimate how much they can get away with at any given time.

Jews are evil and sneaky

When they force some new policy on our government, they take polls to see how the public is reacting to the policy.

Jews control the US government

They always are ready to fine tune the propaganda being fed to the public through their mass media in order to keep the Gentiles from becoming too restless.

The control the mass media
The control the Gentiles

Or if the Gentiles already are restless, then the purpose of their media propaganda is to divert blame from themselves onto someone else.

They're obviously to blame for everything[/n]

...Jews continually monitoring public opinion and then adjusting their propaganda line in order to move public opinion in one direction or another...

Obviously Jews are the only ones adjusting their "propoganda"

that no one controls their thinking or manipulates their opinions. That, however, is merely a popular illusion.

Jews control thie thinking and manipulate their opinions.

As far back as 1928 the Jew Edward Bernays wrote in his book Propaganda, and I quote: "The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. . .. The important thing is that [propaganda] is universal and continuous; and in its sum total it is regimenting the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments the bodies of its soldiers." -- end of quote-

Since the early days Jews have learnt to take over the world

...but his fellow Jews, who had assimilated the book's message generations before Bernays had even written it, were busy elbowing their way into positions of control in this "unseen mechanism of society."

Jews control society through mass manipulation

they do control the "unseen mechanism of society" which consists of most if not all of the mass media of news and entertainment

Jews control public opinion through their owned media

in a way to keep the Gentiles from becoming restless and to protect themselves from blame and reprisals.

Jews deserve blame and reprisals but divert the Gentles from it

Now, the Jews are well known for their hypersensitivity to any sort of criticism. You look at one of them sideways, and he begins screaming that it's another "Holocaust."

I'm obviously not a neo-nazi

But this time there may be something to their chattering that the rest of the world doesn't love them as much as they think we should.

I just boldened the nice parts.

Their poll-takers are claiming now that anti-Jewish feeling is higher than it has been since the 1930s -- and that's something.

Something good, he concludes.

In the 1930s there was a big reaction in Europe -- and to a lesser degree in America -- to what the Jews were doing as communist commissars in the Soviet Union, butchering millions of Russians and Ukrainians.

Jews are communists and butechered millions of Russians and Ukrainians

America's foremost industrialist, Henry Ford, published a newspaper, the Dearborn Independent, which exposed the Jews in communism, the Jews in pornography, the Jews in White slavery, and the Jews in every other filthy, subversive, or destructive activity.

The words speak for themselves.

Many Christian preachers were not afraid to speak out against the Jews. Jews were only tolerated in polite society, but they generally weren't accepted. To a far greater extent than today, in the 1930s the Jews were recognized for what they are.

Hail anti-semitism

In the 1930s if a prominent person [...] didn't like what the Jews were doing, he wasn't afraid to speak out. He wasn't afraid to write a book, and there were publishers who would print it.

I miss the times when being a nazi was easy

Today, with the media and the politicians totally in the hands of the Jews

He speaks for himself

the recognition by many Americans that despite what George Bush and the Jewish media say, September 11 was, in fact, a direct response to the U.S. government's support of Israeli aggression.

Really?

Let's see what WFHermans had to say about September 11 in a thread in the Off Topic on 25-03-2002 14:29

911 Was a Mossad False Flag Operation
By Sean McBride
(McBride is a discussant in newsgroups
investigating CIA drug-trade
involvement.)
3-23-2

I've been strongly resisting coming to the best guess that 911 was a classic Mossad false flag operation, conducted with the full complicity of a Zionist political network loyal to Israel at the highest levels of the U.S. government, but some recent events have made it almost impossible to ignore the obvious.

[...]

Here's the best guest so far of what happened on 9/11/2001...

Osama bin Laden is a high level agent operated by the Israeli Mossad in cooperation with the CIA. OBL and his inner circle recruited the hijackers for 911, with the naive recruitees having little idea of what they were really getting into or about whom was pulling their strings (this was the false flag component of the operation). The hijacked planes were taken over on 9/11 by remote control -- the hijackers lacked the piloting skills to execute the maneuvers that were performed. Well-established procedures for handling situations of this kind were deliberately overridden by orders from on high within the Bush administration. The planes were allowed to hit their targets.

Now the government is engaged in a massive propaganda campaign to suppress any reasonable questions about 911. If the cover-up starts to fall apart, it is likely that more and worse terrorist incidents will be engineered, martial law will be declared, and any skeptics and dissidents will be imprisoned or murdered.

[q]The Jewish media, of course, use their typical deceit in deflecting blame from themselves in this regard, by setting up a straw man and then knocking it down. With disgust and incredulity in their voices they announce that anti-Semites are blaming Jews for the September 11 attacks, implying that what anti-Semites are saying is that Jews themselves staged the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and made it look like Muslims had done it in order to generate American hostility against Muslims. And then they shake their heads in pretended disbelief that anyone could be so stupid as to believe such an obviously incorrect explanation of September 11, all for the sake of blaming the poor, innocent Jews.

It's interesting that he posts that, considering the fact WFHermans posted an article supporting that notion.

a delayed backlash against Jewish efforts during the last three or four years to extort "Holocaust" reparations payments from everyone in sight. I mean, can you believe that there are Gentiles in Switzerland and France and Germany and Poland and Sweden and other countries in Europe who dare to resent the Jews coming around with their hands out and demanding reparations from the people who saved their hides during the war? I can believe it.

Jews to not deserve reparations for the holocaust
"Holocaust" is not real, hence it's enquoted
Jews were saved by the Europeans during the war

that the U.S. government does whatever Israel tells it to do.

Speaks for its self.

that "****ty little country" Israel, as France's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Daniel Bernard, put it recently.

And was right

I'll read to you excerpts from a few British news reports about what the Jews did in the Palestinian refugee camp in Jenin. For more than a week after committing a massacre of Palestinian men, women, and children in Jenin, the Jews wouldn't permit ambulances, relief supplies, or journalists in, while they tried to hide the evidence of what they had done. Earlier this week a few British journalists managed to evade Israeli tanks and snipers around the camp and get in. All the excerpts I'll read now came from British newspapers published on April 16.

This first report is from The Times of London and was filed by reporter Janine Giovanni. I quote: ". . . we had to run through olive groves, dodging from tree to tree because of an Israeli sniper. I have seen demolished houses before. I have seen wells stuffed with bodies. I have seen civilians terrorised and living under siege. But what remains of Jenin camp is a wasteland of death that once housed 13,000 people."

Israelis massacared 13,000 people in Jenin

Kamal Anis said he saw an Israeli bulldozer scooping up 30 bodies and dumping them beside a ruined house. It knocked down the building, covering the corpses with rubble. It then drove over the pile, leveling it into a crude mass grave.

This must be true since only the Jews use propoganda

where thousands of people are still living amid the ruins. . .

Nice lie. Most people left the camp and only recently have been allowed back in.

say there are hundreds of corpses entombed beneath the dust, under a field of debris, criss-crossed with tank and bulldozer treadmarks.

Meanwhile, only 48 bodies were found by IDF and 38 by Palestinains.

Much of the camp -- once home to 15,000 Palestinian refugees from the 1948 war -- is falling down.

Wasn't it 13,000?

It had refused entry to Red Cross ambulances for nearly a week, in violation of the Geneva Convention.

Red Crescent ambulances carried bombs , in violation of the Geneva convention.

That's easier to do when the Jews don't control every medium of mass communication, as they do in America.

Again, speaks for its self.

I've been sampling the news on CNN and Fox TV all week. All I learned about the Jewish assault on Jenin was that 13 Israeli soldiers were killed when a boobytrapped building collapsed on them.

Obviously this should be celebrated

But I have still to see any information about the mass murder of Palestinian civilians in Jenin or any of the other refugee camps invaded by the Jews during the past few weeks.

Because there were none.

the way in which the Jews were targeting their victims.

The men who were rounded up and executed or marched away by the Israelis were not just Palestinian fighters: they were intellectuals, writers, political activists: anyone who might provide leadership to the Palestinians.

Obviously it was their role in society rather than the kalashnikov they held that is so important.

That sounds an awful lot like what the Jews did in the Baltic countries and in Poland in the early days of the Second World War. In Poland, for example, they rounded up 25,000 of Poland's leading citizens -- army officers, professors, writers -- and murdered them. When the Germans found some of the mass graves of these murdered Poles in Russia and called in the Red Cross and representatives from neutral countries to see what the communists had done, the newspapers over here ignored the evidence and blamed the murders on the Germans. Years after the war these mass murders of the Polish elite still were being blamed on the Germans by the media here.

Execution of Jews never happenned!
It were Jews who murdered poles and germans!

It is a real hatred of Jews as Jews, not just as Israelis or Zionists. They cite mobs attacking Jews in the streets of Ukrainian and Russian cities and shouting. "Kill the Jews!" They refer to attacks on synagogues in France and Germany. They complain that all of the old anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Jews wanting to dominate the world are being resurrected.

Nazism is alive again! Cheers!

Now, what's really happening is this: The Israelis are irritated by Palestinian suicide bombers.

450 dead are an "irritation"

And the Jews figured that they would simply ride out the criticism in Europe, as they always have in the past, counting on their bought politicians to cover for them.

Jews buy politicians in Europe

As they have done so often in the past, however, the Jews overreached themselves. Their arrogance led them to miscalculate. They are whining now that the world hates them just for trying to defend themselves. And of course, a growing number of thinking people do hate them -- at least, in those places where thinking people are well informed. One of our responsibilities here in America is to compensate as much as we can for the lack of independent media. Our responsibility is to inform thinking people here at least to the extent they are informed in Europe and then let their natural decency and sense of responsibility do the rest.

It is important to hate Jews

Perhaps we can help make this the beginning of the end for the Jews.

Perhaps we can help make this the beginning of the end for the Jews.

[Lonestar]

I wonder if WTF?Hermans knows the real W. Hermans was Jewish....

[Az]

I begin to suspect that this is a very smartly concieved DL by Eli , in order to polarize the apolyton population.

those lying jews....

[Lonestar]

All I have to say is, Damn! WTF?Hermans has something going! Now all he needs is a gang of thugs, a cool logo, and some smart black uniforms!

[Az]

... how about a swastika as a logo? It is a simbol from hindu culture , representing fertility! Although the indians aren't one of the elite race, the simbol sure looks good.

[Sirotnikov]

Erm... dalgetti, sorry to break this, but the arians originally came from north india.

[Bereta_Eder]

In some american indian tribe (BTW isn't english such a stupid language??????? you have to say american indians so not to mean the indians. Whereas in Greek : Indoi = Indians, Indianoi = american indians - bah those barbaric languages )


ANyway, as I was saying, some american Indian tribe used the swastika too and for them it signified nomadic living, mobility.

[Az]

Siro : sorry to bring it to you , but it's rather the other way, the Aryan tribes came to india. .

also, it was meant as a joke.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

If Israel was just killing Palestinians, why we lost 20+ soldiers? How come hundreds of bombs had to be disarmed?

Oh no! Over 20 Israelis died... that means you can slaughter the whole camp!

Oh no, the Pals put bombs down, so soldiers wouldn't try to kill them. How barbaric of them!

Nice to see that you believe that Israel is on the same moral level as the Palestinians you hate.

Actually, I think Siro is referring to APM's (anti-personnel mines and boobytraps)

Nothing makes an army more destructive than fighting in that sort of threat environment - recon by fire and clearing by fire become the rule - and you have no sympathy for the ********ers who set the mines and traps. It's a bit different than sitting behind a monitor - anyone who's ever fought in that type of threat environment will tell you what I'm saying.

If the Israelis were as big of bastards as you say, Imran, they could have dropped about a dozen daisy cutters in a nice distrubuted pattern and sympathetically detonated every mine and booby trap in the whole camp.

That would have solved the problem real quick, but with a bit of an impact on Palestinian casualties.

[Eli]

The UN wants to send Terie Larsen, Peter Hansen and Mery Robinson in the inquiry comitee to Jenin.

All three are rabid anti-Israelis and attack Israel and it's policies whenever they can.

[MichaeltheGreat]

The "beginning of the end" of WFHermans?

Three week ban - one for repeated racist / anti-semitic posts despite prior warning, one more for cut and paste spam Jewish conspiracy crap, and one more for implied suggestion of genocide (the beginning of the end for the Jews)

Next ban related to this subject will be six weeks, then permanent. That's record time to the Civnation frequent-bannee program.

[Az]

[Imran Siddiqui]

US Envoy (Assistant SecState) called Jenin a 'terrible human tragedy'

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/04/20/mideast/index.html

"I just think what we are seeing here is a terrible human tragedy," Burns said, adding that the fighting had caused "enormous human suffering for thousands of civilians" and calling for free access to the camp by aid agencies.

[MichaeltheGreat]

All war is a human tragedy. Something Arafat and company should have considered a while ago.