The GUTS of some people.

[Ecthy]

OK, thanks for making that one thing clear. So it shall be time of peace... for now

I get your point about educating. But I don't think it suffices. School students don't go to school because they want to learn but because they're forced to as well as to hang out with others. Especially that kind of education is way too weak. Plus, wasn't there that neat experiment done by some teacher that created some kind of mini system of hierarchic structures with one higher goal for his students, just to show them how easily even those can be reached by totalitarian ideas that have been educated well? I'm talking about The Wave, there's the book and a movie about it. I tell you, the mass is stupid. You can't just educate them, you have to keep them in their boundaries, and there are these laws for. Of course it's not particularly democratic, and I'm not even a big fan of democratic ideas, but in order to get the most and best of democracy for a long time, we have to pay a price, and that is limitation offree speech. You do the opposite - on the risk of growing extremists group, you pay the price of an endangered democracy for the higher goal of free speech. But then I suppose the American society is just not democratic enough (in other regards) as to let such groups come to power

[Arrian]

Peace, yes, peace is good

Originally posted by Ecthelion
I tell you, the mass is stupid. You can't just educate them, you have to keep them in their boundaries, and there are these laws for. Of course it's not particularly democratic, and I'm not even a big fan of democratic ideas, but in order to get the most and best of democracy for a long time, we have to pay a price, and that is limitation offree speech. You do the opposite - on the risk of growing extremists group, you pay the price of an endangered democracy for the higher goal of free speech. But then I suppose the American society is just not democratic enough (in other regards) as to let such groups come to power

Ahh, I see now. This is the crux of our debate. You are not fundamentally a supporter of Democracy. I am. I believe that representative democracy is the best system of government available. I accept the potential pitfalls of such a system, which include the "tyranny of the masses." I put a little bit more faith, however, in the comman man/woman. I think viewing "the masses" as stupid is extremely dangerous, because if you really believe that, then it's really easy to look upon them with scorn, and value yourself above them. This is called elitism. It, like most -isms, is dangerous, because if you believe you're better than a group of people, you are more likely to treat them poorly. These masses you wish to "keep in their place" are human beings, with rights (in my opinion).

I don't think that free speech (wtf was up with me spelling it "speach" huh? I have no idea where that came from) endangers democracy. It facilitates democracy. Now, as Hitler's rise to power shows us, democracy does not always lead to good choices. Good choices are usually made by educated people. People who are aware of what the Nazis did to people they felt were undesirable will be highly unlikely to support neo-Nazis. Some will, because some people just suck, but you can't avoid that. What you can avoid, through education, is a society which rejects things like Nazism freely.

-Arrian

[Bereta_Eder]

Arian, yes but since you admit that the educational system is biased against nazism then you admit that there is intervantion.

What is then the difference between educational intervantion on a system of thought and political intervantion on what rallies are permited

[Ecthy]

A flash in the night, a journey through time, the templars are back on the streets

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Aryan

His nick is not Aryan, you know

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Ecthelion


His nick is not Aryan, you know

where did I write that?

[Ecthy]

Let the games begin...

so you edited your post, nice troll

[Bereta_Eder]

I did no such thing. Obviously you misread. You can ask the administrators to verify it.

I have no reason to see "Aryans" around me

[Ecthy]

I just hit the quote button and edited the rest out, so I'm not to blame

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
I just hit the quote button and edited the rest out, so I'm not to blame

you orchastrated the whole thing but I can't see why

[Ecthy]

orchawhat? please don't pester me with your sexual preferences

[Bereta_Eder]

aha, so it was yet another attempt to lure me

[Ecthy]

I would never do that.

[Bereta_Eder]

you're gay

[DinoDoc]

You're both gay twats.