The GUTS of some people.

[KrazyHorse]

Does that mean I can take other people's banners, flags, instruments, floats, etc. and try to destroy them? Where do you draw lines? Whenever it's convenient? I'm willing to bet that had the situation been reversed and this was a parade that pro gay rights then there would be a huge witch hunt with demands for reparations on whatever was attacked plus the full extent of the law

Somebody asks for trouble then they get it. It's a nuisance crime and all it'll get you is the police separating you from your target. Don't try and claim that trampling a gay-rights banner will get you dragged in front of a judge, because that in itself won't.

[orange]

Originally posted by Hueij
Sorry Orange, I'm not even trying to give a serious answer on this one.

It's a legitimate question

By asking this you show that you haven't got a clue about the sentiments in Western Europe about Communism and Nazism. We didn't have a Gulag but we did have Belsen...

Consider Eastern Europe instead of Western Europe. How about Lithuania or Ukraine. Should someone in those countries have their USSR flag destroyed simply because the person believes that Communism is the correct system?

[DinoDoc]

You might want to read up on the fighting words doctrine

Originally posted by orange
Maybe you can expect that, but that does not justify the sign being taken from you.

It's either that or you get to be held responsible for any of the violence that ensues when some of of them decide to give you a good kicking.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by orange
Though legally, they shouldn't. I'm with you that Nazism is wrong, where I separate is where you say that someone cannot promote Nazism because we feel it's wrong

Legally speaking, we're all gay *****.

[orange]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Somebody asks for trouble then they get it. It's a nuisance crime and all it'll get you is the police separating you from your target. Don't try and claim that trampling a gay-rights banner will get you dragged in front of a judge, because that in itself won't.

Whether or not it would be brought in front of a judge is not an issue. We're discussing whether or not the person would have a case.

[Caligastia]

Re: The GUTS of some people.

Originally posted by paiktis22
If this is not GUTS I don't know what it is.

It seems kinda stupid to me. He could have been killed.

[KrazyHorse]

We're discussing whether or not the person would have a case

When did we decide that?

You and DF probably get along well...

[Hueij]

Consider Eastern Europe instead of Western Europe. How about Lithuania or Ukraine. Should someone in those countries have their USSR flag destroyed simply because the person believes that Communism is the correct system?

I don't know. For all I know is that Communism never set up a burocratic/industrial system to exterminate unwanted human beings...

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by MacTBone
Look, the best way to get people to stop joining groups like the KKK, is to ignore them. I live in Indiana, which IIRC is the bithplace of the Klan and they still have a mrach every couple of years. Everyone makes a big deal about it, but everything's legal. The best way to get your message across to these groups is an empty street.

I don't care what your message is, you have the same rights as everyone else. We don't have special laws requiring bigots to wear patches and we don't let people destroy other people's property no matter who you are.

The KKK is believed to have originated in Jackson, Tennessee. It was a byproduct ( or maybe a waste product ) of the Civil War, founded in late 1865. It's original purpose was to counteract black civil rights and the encroachment of northener "scalawags", so why would it have originated in Indiana? By the early 1870s the US government became very concerned about its activities. The state governments of the former CSA were told in so many words that the end of reconstruction and the restoration of full rights in the south would be contingent on the suppression of the Klan. The southern states used reconstituted militia and the influence of prominent men like Robert E. Lee and quickly suppressed the Klan. Though a clandestine organization persisted for years the Klan rose out of obscurity in the 1920s by adding Catholics and immigrants to its list of enemies. This gave the Klan a common ground with northern bigots allowing the Klan the chance to open branches outside the south,

[orange]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Legally speaking, we're all gay *****.

Look, I don't know why I'm getting the sarcasticness...

The moment a peaceful protester crosses the line and becomes a violent protester or terrorist, they are breaking the law. But, a person should have the right to peacefully protest or promote WHATEVER they feel like! Why do you get to decide what they can and cannot promote with legal protection for their property? And why do you feel that someone deserves legal protection for taking a stand against what they feel is wrong, but only when it's what you and I believe is wrong?

[orange]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
When did we decide that?

That's all I've been saying. And if they choose to press charges, criminal or civil, they do have a case.

You and DF probably get along well...

SURELY YOU JEST!!!

[mactbone]

Indiana borders Kentucky, 'nuff said. Seriously, once you pass a certain interstate a little south of Indy, you're in hick country, drawls and everything. I guess it has something to with all the hills.

[KrazyHorse]

And why do you feel that someone deserves legal protection for taking a stand against what they feel is wrong, but only when it's what you and I believe is wrong?

You obviously haven't been paying attention to what I've been saying...

[Dr Strangelove]

I think it would help if we knew what this organization advocates and what the flags supposedly represented. During WWII the Nazis raised SS formations in many occupied countries, including Greece, and most of those formations adopted their own flags. Is that what these fellows were flying. Personally I think that Austria has the right idea, I have no problem with banning Nazis paraphenalia.

[orange]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
You obviously haven't been paying attention to what I've been saying...

yes or no. You think the guy did a great thing, and will not and should not be punished, monetarily or otherwise, for his actions, because they were against a racist group, whom you disagree with. Correct?