The GUTS of some people.

[Ecthy]

Two typical observations:

1. For Americans, property is more important than ethics.

2. Naitonal Socialism and/or Fascism aren't all that bad for Americans.

Nothing new after so many of our Americans have admitted to preferring fascism over communism.

I'd be ashamed if I discovered my own handle next to one of those posts.

I stand up and say it

[Grrr]

You're a bloody troll. - Don't ban me free speech.
Let's kill George Bush - Don't ban me free speech.

It should be limited at some point.

[mactbone]

Look, the best way to get people to stop joining groups like the KKK, is to ignore them. I live in Indiana, which IIRC is the bithplace of the Klan and they still have a mrach every couple of years. Everyone makes a big deal about it, but everything's legal. The best way to get your message across to these groups is an empty street.

I don't care what your message is, you have the same rights as everyone else. We don't have special laws requiring bigots to wear patches and we don't let people destroy other people's property no matter who you are.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Grrr
You're a bloody troll. - Don't ban me free speech.
Let's kill George Bush - Don't ban me free speech.

It should be limited at some point.

Not by the government it shouldn't. I just think that it's a matter for my own brand of community policing...

[Ecthy]

I'm not being a troll

The difference is - we learn from history, you don't. We've had a democracy destroyed by voters because it was not properly protected, now it is protected. Call it a false democracy, but at least we (and the rest of Europe and in the long term the world) won't be rueld by fascists that easily again

[mactbone]

KH, if you break the law, it doesn't matter your reasons, you've still broken the law. Not only that, but you legitimize them by recognizing them.

If some drunk guy stumbles by yelling obscenities, do you hit him and force him to sober up? No, you ignore him because for all intents and purposes he's just looking for attention.

[Grrr]

I wasn't calling you a troll even though I may have insinuated.

What is George Bush if he isn't a fascist?

[Hueij]

First they came for the Jews... They cried for help but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew...

Then they came for the kommies... They also cried for help, but I'm not a kommie...

Next were the gypsies... But I'm not a gypsie...

When they came for me, I cried for help... But there was no one left to hear...

[Ecthy]

he's the president of the united states.

The leader of a democracy that is merely run by quite reactionary (or conservative for that matter) forces, at least for European standards. Domestic policies seem authoritarian at times, especially when your very freedom is limited because the relevant acting might harm the individual freedom of the masses, but let's not get into this . After all he's been voted for by almost half of the people, so he's better than any of the current European leaders

[KrazyHorse]

KH, if you break the law, it doesn't matter your reasons, you've still broken the law. Not only that, but you legitimize them by recognizing them

That's nice.

If some drunk guy stumbles by yelling obscenities, do you hit him and force him to sober up? No, you ignore him because for all intents and purposes he's just looking for attention

Drunk people are a danger to themselves. Jackass neo-nazis are a danger to me. I'll feel free to push the edge of the law to demonstrate to them that the climate is inhospitable to their ideas.

You've never been in a fight, have you.

[Grrr]

Yeah, he had less votes than Al Gore, yet he deserves to be president.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Hueij
When they came for me, I cried for help... But there was no one left to hear...

...so they kicked me until I stopped trying to tear up their flag.

[mactbone]

I have been in a fight, but only once. I stand by everyting that I say and don't back down. Various people have threatened, etc. but noone does the deed. Back then I was a lot smaller than them too, so they weren't afraid of being hurt.

I don't see the need for violence, just ignore them. Most of these people just want attention, if you don't give them the time of day, they're not going to last long.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Grrr
Yeah, he had less votes than Al Gore, yet he deserves to be president.

Lincoln had far less than 50% of the popular vote, but he still won the majority of the electoral votes. I'd hardly say that his election was illegitimate as a result...

[orange]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

They have a right to free speech, no matter what that message is, so long as they don't directly infringe on the rights of others

Somebody starts sieg heiling me I'm more likely than not going to pop him one. Too bad for whoever tries it.

And you would be at fault.