Race differences

[Rex Little]

Rex Little, you're so close to actually getting it. The results of genetic research have shown us that there is a larger genetic variance within a so-called racial group than there is between different racial groups.

Go back to page 1 and read my first post. I said exactly that.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by reds4ever
MtG, explain the results in the sprints over the last 20 years?

Allow me to answer it, if you'd be so kind.

Do the sprint results of the last 30 years (why cop out at 20?) indicate that blacks are superior sprinters? Let's examine the Olympics, shall we?

What did most of the sprint winners have in common? They were black.

What else did they have it common? They were American.

When the Americans boycotted the 1980 games, what were the respective colours of the 100 and 200 metre male sprint winners? Hint- Alan Wells and Pietro Mennea? Both whiter than me, in fact.

So is it being genetically black that makes a top sprinter, or being genetically American? Or, to put it another way, has a Kalahari Bushman or Pygmy ever won it?

You're trying to apply small-scale family genetics over globally racial scales. That's your flaw for you.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by reds4ever
No Che, that was the point, it was conducted in Aus nursery schools! (i'll try to find a link tommorrow)

have a look at the NBA or the NFL for men who could meet those stats (most of them will be black, non will be asian)

Very few NFL players above 250 lbs (we're talking some tight ends, most interior linebackers, and a large majority linemen here) have the sustained sprint to do 100 meters in 10.5, because it isn't important to their sport - that's why you see sprint speed measured with the 40 for football.

Colin Powell and Al Sharpton are black - does that mean that God (or Darwin ) magically endowed them with the ability to shoot hoops or run a blitz?

The first big difference with Asians is most of 'em don't play football and basketball, especially with a goal of making pro. In the US, you get millions of kids who fantasize about being pro athletes, and you filter down from highschool, college, and finally pro camps, until you get a few hundred players in each league. Of those few hundred, a minority meet your size / speed criteria, so you're talking about a couple hundred individuals, total.

Using NBA power forwards as a study for anything is ridiculous, because they represent a tiny minority of any population group. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's dad was a 6'-3" janitor - so let's talk genetics there.

You're presuming genetics, when a combination of diet and training to a specific goal (combined speed / size position in NFL or power forward in NBA) have a much higher overall effect.

How many black sumo wrestlers do you find?

[Kropotkin]

Another thing that influences people that wants to be athlets are their overall situation and opportunities . If sports is the only way to get fame, fortune and a college degree for some people those might very well be more than the should be considering the population at large.

How many pro athletes are the children of rocket scientists or multi-millioneers?

[Guynemer]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there isn't a single NFL player over 250 pounds who can run 100 meters in 10.5 seconds. 100 meters in 10.5 seconds is nearly world-class sprinting. There might be two or three wide receivers in the whole league who can run that fast, and they sure as hell 1) aren't over 250 pounds, 2) can't run that fast in pads.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Well we're still waiting for your contribution to this thread, Caligastia. I'm assuming you have an opinion on this article one way or another.

[reds4ever]

The NFL thing was a bad example ( i'm english, i was tring to put it in an american context, so i may be a few pounds and 10's of a second out). but the point stands. As for the sprints, next time a white american wins the 100, 200 or 400 champoinship, let me know!

so except for skin colour, every race is exactly the same? what a coincidence! the only trait that differs is one we can see!!! i stand corrected!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by reds4ever
The NFL thing was a bad example ( i'm english, i was tring to put it in an american context, so i may be a few pounds and 10's of a second out). but the point stands. As for the sprints, next time a white american wins the 100, 200 or 400 champoinship, let me know!

Then you should argue from what you know. Let's talk about soccer, or as your freaks call it, footbal. Is any one race dominent in football? The phyical traits that enable you to excell in American football or basketball will also be the same traights that would have you excel in football. Yet, I don't see a lot of African ringers in British football teams. France won the world cup. Race does not seem to be much of a factor here.

so except for skin colour, every race is exactly the same? what a coincidence! the only trait that differs is one we can see!!! i stand corrected!

The overwhelming prepondernce of logic and evidence is against you. Why are you so disappointed to be wrong in this instance? Why do you have an emotional stake in racial superiority?

There are minor, superficial differences between "races," hair type, skin color, smell, some "races" are more susecptable to certain diseases (since they weren't exposed to the disease until recently), but a Black person's liver will fit just as well in a white person's body as a white person's liver. A Black person's brain is just as capable of making synaptic connections as a Jewish person's.

What you fail to understand is that many of your preconceptions are based upon sterotypes and media. Does anyone pay attention to the fact that the number one brain surgeon in the US is Black? Hmmmm. Well, it's doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that racial divisions of intelligence are a crock.

[reds4ever]

we'll have to agree to disagree then Che, but i take it you don't follow Football (or Soccer as you people call it), check out the French world cup winning team, now i don't know what the percentage of the French populus is black but would guess it's not 60%?

Gimme a break with the NFL reference, i was just trying to couch things in your terms.

PS nobody has answered the dog question yet?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by reds4ever
PS nobody has answered the dog question yet?

Yes I did.

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara





The overwhelming prepondernce of logic and evidence is against you. Why are you so disappointed to be wrong in this instance? Why do you have an emotional stake in racial superiority?

.

..non of which you've shown?

[reds4ever]

no you didn't

so, one breed of dog is as smart as any other? please read the post (not mine) (Page 3 i think)

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara




Does anyone pay attention to the fact that the number one brain surgeon in the US is Black? Hmmmm. Well, it's doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that racial divisions of intelligence are a crock.

Ummm......I in fact didn't pay attention to the fact that the #1 brain surgeon in the US is black. Why should I?

And is that the AP or the ESPN/USA Today poll?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Guynemer
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there isn't a single NFL player over 250 pounds who can run 100 meters in 10.5 seconds. 100 meters in 10.5 seconds is nearly world-class sprinting. There might be two or three wide receivers in the whole league who can run that fast, and they sure as hell 1) aren't over 250 pounds, 2) can't run that fast in pads.

World class speed in the 100 is in the low 9's. I was never a sprinter at any weight, but ran the 100 in the 10.7 range.

Mark Gastineau (sp?), used to be a defensive lineman with the Jets, IIRC, could run the 100 in better than that speed range (40 in 4.6, which is even more impressive) at 269 lbs. In case anyone wondered, he's white.

Most wide receivers and cornerbacks can run 10.0 or better 100's, or they wouldn't be in the league - but the big difference is that for them, their sprint speed is significantly a part of their playing ability - in fact, a lot of them run track and don't make it, so football is an alternative - they don't generally have the height for basketball, their speed is of very limited use in baseball, so football becomes an alternative.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by reds4ever
no you didn't

so, one breed of dog is as smart as any other? please read the post (not mine) (Page 3 i think)

Dogs are in theory selectively bred (and culled) for specific breed traits, over many generations. The degree of focus on selective breeding is extreme (when talking champion bloodlines that are the best technical representatives of their breeds) that it is totally incomparable to relatively undirected human breeding.

BTW, I think studies have shown that there is a very slight bias in fast twitch to slow twitch muscle fiber ratios in American whites and American blacks, but the overall degree of shift was not considered statistically significant.