Race differences

[Ramo]

I've never seen anything like this about the HGP, in the "liberal media" or elsewhere. Can you provide a source?

Try this (you'll note that it's from the HGP people themselves).

http://www.ornl.gov/hgmis/elsi/minorities.html

[Bosh]

bleck, there's a long sad tradition of this kind of BS psuedo-science. I highly recomend picking up Gould's The Mismeasure of Man for a good thorough history and debunking of this sort of thing...

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
If there is one black person who is smarter than even one White/Asian person, this entire theory is invalid.

crap!!! why?? never heard of statistics?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny
Look at that first paragraph. Doesn't that make you want to punch the author? Do you, for one second, get the impression that this is an objective commentary? Or, on the other hand, do you get the impression that you're dealing with a vicious little **** who's got an axe to grind?

I guess you dont think its possible to consider the alternatives to the generally accepted view of race without being a white supremacist. Thats a pity.

[Solly]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
If there is one black person who is smarter than even one White/Asian person, this entire theory is invalid.

Two normal distribution curves with different means can overlap.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Caligastia
I guess you dont think its possible to consider the alternatives to the generally accepted view of race without being a white supremacist. Thats a pity.

I don't think anyone who wasn't a white supremacist would be remoutely interested in it. It's been debunked for decades, and yet they keep pretending that it's "new" research.

It's it walks like a white supremacist and quacks like a white supremacist . . . you know the rest.

Sociobiology is no more a field of science than paranormal psychology. It's just a fancy name for racism.

Do you ever post anything about how f*cked up white people are, Caligastia? Or is it only significant if it's something which disparages Black people, Mr. "I'm not a racist, really?"

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Ramo


The idea that there's been 50,000 years of seperate evolution has no scientific basis, whatsoever.



There're only a few genes that control skin color. There are thousands and thousands that control brain functions. And 50,000 years wouldn't be long enough to significantly affect something as substancial as that.

it doesn't have to affect all the brain functions, just subtly alter a few

the races are different, it doesn't make one inferior to the other just different. Why are people who excel at sprint events able to trace their ancestry back to West Africa? Why are no Fields Medal winners Black, most good swimmers white? Aboriginies have better spatial awareness?


I know it's nor PC these days, but were not all the same, and as soon as we understand that the better!

[WFHermans]

Why do jews always try to disprove a theory by personal attacks on the person that happens to be the messenger? Can't you just once try to show if there is a flaw in the theory itself?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Caligastia


I guess you dont think its possible to consider the alternatives to the generally accepted view of race without being a white supremacist. Thats a pity.

Really? That's your guess, is it?

Well it remains a guess. As does the travesty of a piece of "research" you chose to post. Put your balls on the line and try defending that article you chose to post, rather than making mealy-mouthed attempts to smear those who argue against it.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

WFHermans- I'm not even going to waste one breath in any attempt to reason with you. **** off, and do so now.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Do you ever post anything about how f*cked up white people are, Caligastia? Or is it only significant if it's something which disparages Black people, Mr. "I'm not a racist, really?"

This was asked towards Caligastia.

That was a good point, Chegitz, and it looks like Caligastia has chosen to ignore your question.

[Kropotkin]

IIRC the definition when one race turns into two different races are when they can't cross-breed anymore...

So in that way the debate about races is wrong from the very start.

It takes a hell of a lot of mutations for that to happen and a almost as many to get a real difference between the two groups.

That the people of western Europe would be better because they have had it a bit harder in life before is such BS. Other peoples haven't had such a nice time before either. In that chase eskimoes and desert peoples would rule the earth.

Some things are easy to change over a few generations however. The size and form of a colony changes due to the food they can get. For example; people where often smaller before than after the black death due to a change in diet. In some cases this get a long term effect if a group live under a diet under a long time. Thus african slaves where usually taken from parts with big and strong populations. People who later where pretty good at some some kinds of athletic sports. That says very little about anything else, least of all their IQ. That whites are better swimmers is 'cause they've got access to swimmingpools.

[Gibsie]

Don't be silly, he's said before that he's not a racist, so he can't be.

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
IIRC the definition when one race turns into two different races are when they can't cross-breed anymore...

So in that way the debate about races is wrong from the very start.

It takes a hell of a lot of mutations for that to happen and a almost as many to get a real difference between the two groups.

That the people of western Europe would be better because they have had it a bit harder in life before is such BS. Other peoples haven't had such a nice time before either. In that chase eskimoes and desert peoples would rule the earth.

Some things are easy to change over a few generations however. The size and form of a colony changes due to the food they can get. For example; people where often smaller before than after the black death due to a change in diet. In some cases this get a long term effect if a group live under a diet under a long time. Thus african slaves where usually taken from parts with big and strong populations. People who later where pretty good at some some kinds of athletic sports. That says very little about anything else, least of all their IQ. That whites are better swimmers is 'cause they've got access to swimmingpools.

would you care to look up the difference between race and species??

sorry ,but your last paragraph isn't worthy of a reply, there must be a book on basic evolutionary processes in a library near you?

[Kropotkin]

Well you did reply to it... As for race/species those words mean the same in my native tounge (I said IIRC...). That there's a few differences in size etc of people in different areas of the world isn't exacly a support for such thing as 'races'


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I can however agree that's it far from the most clever post I've written.