The Palestinian.

[Eli]

Freedom and human rights. Doh.

[Ecthy]

What's so wrong about that ideal, Eli?

[kolpo]

Originally posted by DinoDoc




Tell me why the EU supports the PA again?

It was not my personal view but that of the EU but, reasosn why I think they mind Iraelis offenses worser then Pals:

-The Israeli pers freedom restrictions are directed towards european journalists and that is what the EU makes angry. Expecial some cases of violace towards EU journalists.
-The pals are a weak minority the Iraelis are a manority an dhave a godlike stronga nd unbeatable army: you feel easier simpaty for the weak then the strong.
-Arabs are viewed as a moral injured surpressed nation fight with it's last breath for there own nation, from people is such conditions don't they mind that much if they do something wrong.
-Many people in EU view Arrafat as a weak leader who want's to calm down the groups but can't and has do be hrad in peace negozations because only then has he a chance to calm down those groups.
-The total dead count of palestines is much bigger then that of jews. Many EU people see that as an indication that israel is more agressive. There are indeed many discusions about why that is(the differnce in dead count) in which nor the pro-palestine nor the pro-isreal side seams to give argumenets that can really convert the other side and most people view those arguments as just propaganda. so they viewn those arguments as subjective but that the dead count is different is simply a fact.

[Bereta_Eder]

B U M P

[red_jon]

It's so funny that the US has now condemned Israeli actions - after Israel denied the EU the ability to intervene as we aren't on their side

[Evil_Eric_4]

Part of that death toll are the suicide bombers themselves

200 or so, I think, and counting.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Carver


Yes. Dismantle every Israeli settlement in the West Bank and Gaza strip. Completely withdraw from the occupied territories, including the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem. And allow the creation of an independent, sovereign and geographically contiguous Palestinian state.

Yes, and return to the completely indefensible borders of 1948, while this "sovereign" Palestinian state along with it's arab allies prepares to finish the job.

Israel didn't have the west bank, all of Jerusalem, or the Golan (or the Sinai, but they gave that back when Egypt formally made peace and accepted Israel's right to exist), until Israel was attacked by arab nations.

[Keygen]

Originally posted by Boddington's

Why are Greeks siding with Arabs?

Greeks are not siding all Arabs but Palestinians.
Perhaps because you are wrong now?

Originally posted by kolpo

Especial there actions againsts cnn are a very big mistake, cnn controls a lot of the media in the US without US support is Israel's it's economy dead.

Media in the USA are controlled mostly by the Hebrews so this is not going to happen

A protracted crisis in Palestine will possibly cause a protracted petroleum crisis therefore serious economical problems to European economy, America's latest biggest pain in the ass.

Besides America has been basting all world's balls with their "war" against terrorism so since Palestinians acts are considered as terroristic how couldn't backup Israeli's "fair" fight against Palestinian terrorism.

Originally posted by Ecthelion

It seems that America has been taking side with Israel so much in that past because there's a big lobby of rich Jews (without taking any position here) in the US that make their policies go that way.

Plus the fact that 20-25% of American high ranking officials in the USA are of Hebrew ancestry. That's 1 in the 4-5.

Originally posted by Ecthelion

That sounds like a paragraph headline in some Nazi racial ideology textbook.

Sharon must have been reading those Nazi textbooks too much lately

Originally posted by DinoDoc



Tell me why the EU supports the PA again?

Haven't Sharon freezed the process of the Palestinian independence Rabin started 7 years ago?
Palestinians deserve a country on their own as you do.
That's why European residents and most citizens of this world support the Palestinians.
I am not sure what you are going to gain with this.
Terror will never stop in that area unless Israel gives independence to the Palestinians or kill all muslims worldwile.

Originally posted by Eli

Freedom and human rights. Doh.

Yes, something you fought for long ago and have forget about it.
Well, guess what. It's not only you who deserve freedom and human rights.
There are other people too

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

Yes, and return to the completely indefensible borders of 1948, while this "sovereign" Palestinian state along with it's arab allies prepares to finish the job.

Israel didn't have the west bank, all of Jerusalem, or the Golan (or the Sinai, but they gave that back when Egypt formally made peace and accepted Israel's right to exist), until Israel was attacked by arab nations.

I support what Israeli's had done until the assasination of Rabin. They fought for their indepence and the retain of it successfully. But now I see no reason for keeping that agressive attitude anymore. Rabin knew that but some other had a different opinion. Palestinian terror attacks are now what Israeli unfairness collects. People might condemn those terror attacks but when some people have lost their families in front of their eyes not because they were terrorists but simply because they were Palestinians and were breathing then you should expect that kind of reaction.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by kolpo
It are not just the Greeks, it is quite the whole EU. Things like pers freedom, human rights and rights for minorities are important values of the EU. So the choice is self-explaining in the eyes of the EU.

(am not taking sides here just showing EU reasoning)

The EU preaches about the moral reasons for supporting the Pals, but anyone with half a brain knows that neither side has the moral high ground in this struggle. Europe is just protecting its own self interest, but claims to be fighting for "human rights". Funny how they never complain about the human rights of Israeli suicide victims...

Originally posted by Ecthelion
It seems that America has been taking side with Israel so much in that past because there's a big lobby of rich Jews (without taking any position here) in the US that make their policies go that way.

I'm sure the large Arab minority in Europe has no influence on EU policy. Or the dependence on Arab oil. There's a bias on both sides, but the EU is worse in many ways. The US has reasons to support both Israel and the Arabs. The EU has no reason to support Israel and every reason to support the Arabs.

[Ecthy]

Don't say anything more, I'm absolutely convinced by your elaboration.

[chequita guevara]

Not all American supporters of Israel are jews, and not all American Jews are supporters of Israel. So, cut out this anti-Semitc BS about Jews controlling our policy. Jews are not seperate from Americans.

[Ecthy]

Is everyone here getting lunatic now?

Democracy is a rule of majorities, not of all the people.

[Shi Huangdi]

"Constantinople

http://www.enet.gr/online/servlet/dspphoto?id=24780"

There is no such city by that name. Perhaps you were reffering to Istanbul?

[Bereta_Eder]

There is no such city in your dictionary or map.

We call it Constantinople. You can call it anything you like.

[Keygen]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Not all American supporters of Israel are jews, and not all American Jews are supporters of Israel.

True. But it seems that the supporters outclass.

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

So, cut out this anti-Semitc BS about Jews controlling our policy.

Anti-Semitic? What this has to do with what I am talking about? It's true and has nothing to do whether I like or not Hebrews.

In fact I like Hebrews. That doesn't mean that I will support them when they're wrong.

And who invented this stupid term, anti-Semite?
Arabs are Semites too.

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Jews are not seperate from Americans.

Jews are first Jews and then anything else. That's the nature of their religion. Since Israeli's are Jews too you should expect a sympathy and active support on the American Jews behalf.