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TROLL > AntiSemitism > AntiPalistinianism ! Did the Jews learn from WWII?
We could go back to the numerous other times Arafat has acted in bad faith during the peace process, the "friendship treaty" he signed with Hamas, the ludicrous suggestion that a man who claims to be so incompetent at controlling his own people is a person that can deliver any sort of peace, etc.
We can go back to 19 years even prior to the 67 war in which Israel refused to allow the refugees back in. We can also go back to Israeli terrrorism during the years leading up to 1948. None of it excuses further violations of law and morality, just as Israel is not absolved of blame because of Palestinian crimes.
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I might have suspected. People in the region seem to be so focused on past crimes they've really given up on even bothering to seriously look for a solution. I'm not interested in the game you're playing, Siro. If we could track down the first atrocity, what would it do? You'd still be left with the current situation. What's eventually going to happen is that some other country is going to come into your backyard and clean up your trash for you. Canada and Norway and Britain are going to transport their peacekeepers to the ME and guarantee borders on all sides while the US flies overhead and threatens to kill the **** out of anybody who tries ****-all. When it happens everybody living in both countries will owe us a debt of gratitude for solving your problem, but I doubt you'll bother to acknowledge it. We've been on Cyprus for 40 years now, and in other little ****holes where residents just don't feel like being civil to each other. Oh well.
Originally posted by KrazyHorse
We can go back to 19 years even prior to the 67 war in which Israel refused to allow the refugees back in. We can also go back to Israeli terrrorism during the years leading up to 1948.
All of which are irrelevent to the Oslo "peace" process, the begining if you're feeling poetic.
None of it excuses further violations of law and morality, just as Israel is not absolved of blame because of Palestinian crimes.
Negotiations can not go foward unless both sides are willing and able to do so in good faith. So far we only have one side willing to do just that which leads us to the current situation.
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Negotiations can not go foward unless both sides are willing and able to do so in good faith. So far we only have one side willing to do just that which leads us to the current situation
So far we only have one side which has their best ally in the entire world brokering the peace deal.
Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Sirotnikov is probably living on land that was once owned by some poor Palestinian now languishing in a refugee camp.
And I probably live on land that was once owned by a Native American, and AH is probably living on land that was once owned by an Aborigine. Sadly instead of languishing in refugee camps, the whites who stole the Americas and Australia from the original inhabitants just gunned them down and chased them into wastelands.
I'm not saying that it's exactly the same, I'm just saying that it's a low blow to go for somebody because of some historical incident that they had no control over. Very bad form, Mr. Horse.
Remember that in 1948 the British Protectorate was split into two states - Israel and Palestine. Israel didn't get even one day of peace before the Arab League declared war. Israel won that war and gained a considerable portion of what would have been Palestine. Palestinians fled the areas of Palestine occupied by the Israelis and the original area of Israel. After that war no one in the Arab world recognized Israel's right to exist, nor even offered the slighest gesture of concilliation. Under such circumstances how could the repatriation of the Palestinians have been negotiated? Israel would have by necessity required a credible reassurance from someone in authority over the Palestinians and their Arabic allies that their rights would be honored. It was not forth coming.
To our members who are Europeans and also those who are citizens of British Commonwealth nations who are now expressing their dsipleasure with the Israelis governments I request that you reflect for a moment on the historic role your goverments had in the formation of this situation. You drove the Jewish people to this point.
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Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Anyway, our casus belli was the assassination of an ambassador by palestinians or something.
But, the Israeli ambassador to Britain was assassinated by Abu Nidal, which was an anti-PLO faction. The PLO immediately condmned the assassination.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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