France makes demands and the US laughs hysterically

[Imran Siddiqui]

Next time China wants to try an American for a capital crime, and wants to invoke the DP I will remind you of that statement.

Exactly.

And you people have wierd ideas about the Singapore caining. All I remember is outrage from Americans that this poor Ami boy was being cained for something so small.

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Anyway, SD: Usually in the US, the prosecution decides (before the case) what the maximum penalty they will push for if the person is convicted. So, the prosecution can decide to push for 2-5 years in prision rather than 2 years and community service, in the case of sexual assualt, say.

[Felch]

Euros, they hate us and rate us because they ain't us.

I'm opposed to the death penalty, but mostly because I think that there are harsher ways of dealing with people, and because I view life as being a sacred right.

Still, this is just another example of how the French are our most useless ally/subject state.

[Saint Marcus]

Well of course, the US couldn't possibly have their own evidence to convict him with.

frankly, they don't. all the crucial evidence in this case in the hands of the french authorities.

[Paul Hanson]

Originally posted by Felch X
Euros, they hate us and rate us because they ain't us.

Boy, you hit the nail right on the head with that one, didn't you?

[faded glory]

If france is against the DP. Great, then they have the right to not do it. But they dont have the right to tell us we cant. Thats just meddling in things thats none of there (frances) business.

[Evil_Eric_4]

perhaps we should guillotine him.

That seems appropriate for a Frenchman.

Maybe France wont mind so much then(not that we care what the French want).

The hypocracy , oh the hypocracy.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Next time China wants to try an American for a capital crime, and wants to invoke the DP I will remind you of that statement.

Exactly.

And you people have wierd ideas about the Singapore caining. All I remember is outrage from Americans that this poor Ami boy was being cained for something so small.

Beat his ass and then let's use the cane on some other young punks. Everybody I know thought it sounded like a good way to handle a delinquent.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


frankly, they don't. all the crucial evidence in this case in the hands of the french authorities.

If you knew anything about legal procedure, you would be fairly smart to have evidence BEFORE you charge somebody. If you don't you will be laughed out of the courthouse.

France has a perfect right to lobby for his life, just as the US has a perfect right to say NO.

And you can tell all the evidence is in the hands of the french? how?

Because, as usual, ther hands are over their heads?

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by Felch X
Euros, they hate us and rate us because they ain't us.

Oh an american that uses his own country as a shield to protect his own insecurity, what a novel idea.

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by Evil_Eric_4
perhaps we should guillotine him.

That seems appropriate for a Frenchman.

Off off-topic here, but I remeber thinking that brat should get the cane and I imagine the only reason anyone cared was because he was rich and white as I don't recall any human rights activists sobbing over some Singaporian (?) kid getting the cane.

And on a more personal note... There's something about the French that just... well... annoys me. It's not like I've ever been there, but the first word that comes to mind when I think of the French is annoying. Cultural conditioning perhaps? Sorry Zobe. Maybe they're like the guy in class that everyone likes to pick on in a sort of we-like-you-so-we-pick-on-you sort of way? Help me out here folks.

:waiting for the annoying American response:

[The Mad Monk]

The fact of the matter is that while American media, international human rights organizations and more than a few celebrities tried to turn it into a "don't beat the poor American" circus, the American public simply wasn't buying it.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by WhiteElephants
And on a more personal note... There's something about the French that just... well... annoys me. It's not like I've ever been there, but the first word that comes to mind when I think of the French is annoying. Cultural conditioning perhaps? Sorry Zobe. Maybe they're like the guy in class that everyone likes to pick on in a sort of we-like-you-so-we-pick-on-you sort of way? Help me out here folks.

Soldiers from the USA and common wealth who where fighting in europe during the world wars wanted someone to blame for their misery, and france (who they where defending/liberating) was a popular choice. It's spiraled out from there becoming one of those "cool to hate" things.


In other words, it's typical nationalist bull crap.

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by Osweld

Soldiers from the USA and common wealth who where fighting in europe during the world wars wanted someone to blame for their misery, and france (who they where defending/liberating) was a popular choice. It's spiraled out from there becoming one of those "cool to hate" things.


In other words, it's typical nationalist bull crap.

Well, they've certainly gotten their nose bloodied more than once in that long forgotten 20th century. Let's hope this century is a bit more painless for those guys, eh?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
if france refuse to disclose any evidence regarding the alleged crimes commited by the guy, the US can't convict him in a fair trial.

Why is that? Don't you don't think that the evidence that we get from Germany and Malaysia might be able to convict him?

[The Mad Monk]

I heard an interesting analysis on this from Ron Kuby yesterday. Apparently, one reson a prosecutor would want to say he is going for capital punishment is that the court would then select a Capital Case Jury. When a jury for a capital case is selected, prospective jurors may be removed if they have anti-death penalty views; this is because they may allow these views to color their judgement on the guilt or innocence of the defendant. One result of this is that persons with socially liberal POVs get knocked off of the jury, increasing the number of socially conservative (and more likely to convict on the same evidence) jurors.