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    France demands no death penalty for terror suspect

    France urged the United States on Wednesday to remove the threat of the death penalty for the first suspect indicted in the United States for conspiring with Osama bin Laden (news – web sites) on the September 11 attacks.

    Justice Minister Marylise Lebranchu said France, which along with other European Union (news – web sites) partners has no death penalty, could not accept such a punishment for Zacarias Moussaoui, a Frenchman of Moroccan descent.

    "Of course, no person benefiting from French consular protection should be executed," she told RMC radio.

    Separately, a Foreign Ministry spokesman confirmed France would take steps to ensure he was not executed if found guilty by a U.S. federal court.

    "Yes, that stems from our general position on the death penalty," the spokesman told a regular news briefing.

    France scrapped the death penalty in 1981.

    Moussaoui, 33, took flying lessons in the United States and officials there believe he may have been preparing to join one of four hijacking teams. Almost 3,300 people died in the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.


    I wonder what the French are thinking. Do they really think that we need thier permission to apply domestic laws to a criminal caught in our borders? FYI, the death penalty will be sought in the case. Any guesses on what the effects in France will be?
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    I don't see where the 'demands' are.

    It seems they are trying to lobby us to not put him to death... but no demands.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
      I don't see where the 'demands' are.
      Blame the title of the article.

      You might try to actually answering the questions I asked rather than nit-picking.
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      • #4
        I'd read that when France ended the use of the death penalty, the majority of their population still supported it. I wonder how much money France has spent to get that to change over the years.
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        • #5
          Good point Dino It amazes me that countries tell others how to act at the same time whail with self indulgent actions at a whim...
          “The Communist Manifesto was correct…but…we see the privileges of the capitalist bourgeoisie yielding…to democratic organizations…In my judgment…success lies in a steady [peaceful] advance…[rather]…than in…a catastrophic crash."Eduard Bernstein
          Or do we?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DinoDoc
            You might try to actually answering the questions I asked rather than nit-picking.
            The questions are irrelevant once you figure out the article says they are lobbying the US to commute the sentance if it comes back death... or not issue death at all.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
              they are lobbying the US to commute the sentance if it comes back death... or not issue death at all.
              The question is why is it any of thier concern? We caught the man in the continental US. The French opinion is of little or no legal import in cases such as this.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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              • #8
                From a radio program I was listening to the other night (Bachelor and Alexander on WABC, for those in the NYC area), France is applying pressure, based on non-cooperation.

                A lot of the evidence on this guy is based on French police and other government sources, and without those sources, there is, effectively, little or no case.

                When you add that to this:
                Separately, a Foreign Ministry spokesman confirmed France would take steps to ensure he was not executed if found guilty by a U.S. federal court.
                The picture snaps into sharp focus.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc


                  The question is why is it any of thier concern? We caught the man in the continental US. The French opinion is of little or no legal import in cases such as this.

                  Europeans always try to get non-death sentences for their citizens here.


                  They seem to think they can influence us in some ways regarding capital punishment.
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                  • #10
                    Well we iced McVey. It's not an anti-French thing. We just don't like killers.

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                    • #11
                      I am against capital punishment. I prefer life imprisonment in hard labour camps without parole

                      If Moussaoui is found guilty, he should be punished. But what is he guilty of? What is this conspiracy charge thing?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                        If Moussaoui is found guilty, he should be punished. But what is he guilty of? What is this conspiracy charge thing?
                        That's an interesting question. Most of the 20 highjackers didn't know what was going to happen until after they boarded the planes.

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                        • #13
                          Re: France makes demands and the US laughs hysterically

                          Originally posted by DinoDoc
                          I wonder what the French are thinking. Do they really think that we need thier permission to apply domestic laws to a criminal caught in our borders? FYI, the death penalty will be sought in the case. Any guesses on what the effects in France will be?
                          Read your quoted article again.
                          Find keywords "consular protection"
                          Anything else ?

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                          • #14
                            Also, did the guy actually do anything? How can you kill someone who hasn't actually commited anything? What's with the capital punishment anyway, who is it going to help?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              The question is why is it any of thier concern? We caught the man in the continental US. The French opinion is of little or no legal import in cases such as this.
                              Next time China wants to try an American for a capital crime, and wants to invoke the DP I will remind you of that statement.
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