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  • #16
    I fail to see how "In favor of the Death Penalty" equates with "Pro-Choice." What choice are we talking about?

    That being said, I'm "somewhere in between" because I'm undecided on both issues; I'm more-or-less in favor of both abortion and the death penalty, but my mind is only 80% made up WRT abortion and 40% made up WRT the death penalty.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by loinburger
      I fail to see how "In favor of the Death Penalty" equates with "Pro-Choice." What choice are we talking about?
      It is to kill or not to kill. That is the choice.
      HAVE A DAY.
      <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
      "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
      For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cloud9
        It is to kill or not to kill. That is the choice.
        Do you mean that being in favor of the Death Penalty is equivalent to being in favor of giving the State the choice to execute someone who is guilty, or do you mean something more flippant by that remark?
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        • #19
          Originally posted by loinburger
          Do you mean that being in favor of the Death Penalty is equivalent to being in favor of giving the State the choice to execute someone who is guilty, or do you mean something more flippant by that remark?
          It is being in favor or not in favor of giving the state the option to kill someone. That is the choice.
          HAVE A DAY.
          <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
          "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
          For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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          • #20
            To those who accuse him of being a troll: Shut up. Cloud9 is simply expressing a humanistic view, and if it is something you disagree with, say you disagree with it. Don't accuse him of simply trying to incite you. To describe Pro-Life as requiring an anti-abortion and anti-death penalty stance is remarkably straight forward. Simply because the majority of Americans view the two issues as being seperate, does not mean that they are seperate. Someone who is truly pro-life is in favor of all life, not just the life that they find morally or financially convenient to maintain.

            However, I would say that his description of pro-choice is a tad bit strange. Pro-choice rarely has much to do with the death penalty. I'd recommend changing the poll to reflect that. Possibly five options, pro-life, anti-abortion/pro-death penalty, pro-choice/anti-death penalty, pro-choice/pro-death penalty, and of course, banana, or some variant.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Felch X
              To those who accuse him of being a troll: Shut up. Cloud9 is simply expressing a humanistic view, and if it is something you disagree with, say you disagree with it. Don't accuse him of simply trying to incite you. To describe Pro-Life as requiring an anti-abortion and anti-death penalty stance is remarkably straight forward. Simply because the majority of Americans view the two issues as being seperate, does not mean that they are seperate. Someone who is truly pro-life is in favor of all life, not just the life that they find morally or financially convenient to maintain.
              Thanks Felch X.
              HAVE A DAY.
              <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
              "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
              For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Felch X
                Someone who is truly pro-life is in favor of all life, not just the life that they find morally or financially convenient to maintain.
                "Pro-life" is a problematic term in relation to the question on abortion. There is no question that executing a prisoner is an act of killing a human being, so it makes perfect sense for someone who is opposed to the death penalty to say that they are pro-life. However, the question with abortion is not whether it is right or wrong to kill a human being when it has not yet been born, the question is whether or not an embryo/fetus is actually a human being. Using the label "pro-life" pretty much begs the question.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by loinburger
                  However, the question with abortion is not whether it is right or wrong to kill a human being when it has not yet been born, the question is whether or not an embryo/fetus is actually a human being.
                  How in the heck could you say that loinburger?!?!?! Of course a fetus is a human being, or else it would be born as something else! Geesh!
                  HAVE A DAY.
                  <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                  "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                  For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                  • #24
                    Life, according to the Merriam-Webster OnLine Dictionary is, "an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction." To define a fetus as not being alive you would have to say that it has no metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction. While it can't sexually reproduce, its cells are reproducing, and everything else is true, so I think we can fairly describe a fetus as alive. Hence, pro-life is not begging any question. Opposition to abortion is the defence of life.

                    I wonder how you can define a fetus as non-human. The fetus is essentially just one of many stages in human life. The question of abortion is not whether the fetus is human, or whether it is alive, but if a mother is entitled to terminate a pregnancy. Let's try not to change the topic with non-scientific and dehumanizing arguments.
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                    • #25
                      The comparison between abortion and capital punishment is not a good one- abortion involves an innocent baby, capital punishment involves a convicted murderer.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
                        . . .capital punishment involves a convicted murderer.
                        Not always.
                        HAVE A DAY.
                        <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                        "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                        For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cloud9
                          Not always.
                          Sure. There is always the possibility of treason.
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            Sure. There is always the possibility of treason.
                            Espionage is another possibility.
                            HAVE A DAY.
                            <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                            "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                            For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                            • #29
                              Or attempted murder of the president
                              Concrete, Abstract, or Squoingy?
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
                                Or attempted murder of the president
                                That has already been mentioned.
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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